Subject: Re: [permaculture] Similarities between the Jesus Movement at itsorigin and the
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:52:11 +0000
Greg,
If you don't mind me adding my perception. Actually there are not the
fantasies in the first place, but the sex drive, or more scientifically, the
natural appetence for the conservation of the species, which gives rise to
the fantasies.
But there is more to sex and body contact than these fantasies and sex
drive, and their satisfaction. For example, scientific studies showed that
physical intimacy plays a crucial part in the healthy development of a
child, particularly for its self-esteem, and this goes to some extent for
adults as well.
"There are proven health benefits by reducing stress, and the cholesterol
level, improving blood circulation and it works as a pain reliever. With
sex, oxytoxins are secreted and this in turn releases endorphins...sexual
excitement promotes DHEA hormones. This hormone is a strong chemical in the
body that balances your immune system, helps keep your skin healthy, helps
promote the growth of your bones and helps in maintaining and repairing the
tissues in your body. Sex is also known to contribute to your cardiovascular
health and act as an antidepressant."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3692731.stm
But this is obviously a very individual thing, as not all people are alike.
If living sexually abstinent works for you, then I hope that's fine.
In respect of control of sex lives and population, the animal world, as a
whole, is probably hard to beat, because, unless somebody interferes, it
works fine.
But there are other, environmentally friendly ways too to control our
population, besides the sexual abstinence.
Vital
----Original Message Follows----
From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Similarities between the Jesus Movement at
itsorigin and the Permaculture movement
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:56:11 -0800 (PST)
Greg,
Couldn't argue with that, fantasy and imagination are certainly part
and parcel of sex and human reproduction. But so are fantasy and
imagination part and parcel of human creativity. Creativity and
Reproduction.
Having passed the hottest phase of youthful vigour, I grant, that to
some the kind of discipline and control you talk about may seem
appealing. Nobody would find fault with that.
Yet it is quite another thing if the church uses its muscle to make
everybody conform to this type of discipline. That is the corner I
thought you come from, but I may of course have been wrong.
I'm by nature suspicious of anybody trying to impose rules on his/her
fellow beings based on observations in the animal kingdom and be it
only by way of a negative example.
>gave up sex toward the end of the marriage and I let her go.
You let her go. Is that like letting go workers when they are no
longer needed? Fired! Or are my linguistic sensibilities in a
language that is not my own are getting the better of me?
I believe it is our fantasies that lead us into sex. The real thing is never
as good as the fantasy.
I was married at one time, because of my fantasies, but I did not have any
children. I gave up sex toward the end of the marriage and I let her go.
When I disciplined myself to ignore my fantasies and give up sex, I felt
healthier mentally, less ashamed, and more in control of myself.
I learned in biology that if animal populations get too large they all die
because they destroy their food source. That's is why I believe God created
carnivores.
Obviously, animals don't control thier population or sex lives, so some
other creature does it for them.
If that creature doesn't exist, their population will get too big and
destructive.
If we wish to do better than the animals, we need to learn to control our
sex lives and population.
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