it appears that Permaculturalists, at least those on this listserve, have consistently low expectations on the behavior of their colleaguesPerhaps a different view. Using more facets and less sides.
for myself, i am not so cynical, or lacking in trust of my fellow travellers good intentions that i am going to withdraw from efforts to be part of building the kind of horizontal, community based and controlled organizations that i believe are as essential to our success and survival as any other designs we are undertaking
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