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  • From: "Robert Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Terraforming and Permaculture, what are the connections
  • Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:59:50 -0600

Gulp. I thought I was just dashing off a quick answer not presuming to develop a definition of permaculture good enough to lead off a website ;), In the onlie Barking Frogs Permaculture PDC in which I am presently enrolled, the subject of "definition of permaculture" has been talked about a lot. I finally got the point when some aspects of my design outline were rejected because I labelled them "permaculture features". The point that was made to me was that permaculture is not really a collection of specific strategies/tasks, rather, it is the wholistic way of looking at a particular site or situation and the process we use for working through the various issues/resource/challenges unique to that site/situation, in the direction of sustainability. But certainly use it as you will. I am not fussy about that sort of thing. Every time people complain about the government spying on them I say, "I hope they are spying on me and making copies of everything I write and sending those copies to everyone in the CIA, the State Department, the War Department, Congress and the White House.

Robert Waldrop, OKC

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Terraforming and Permaculture,what are the connections


Robert Waldrop wrote:
It seems to me that the correct way of formulating
this would be to say "permaculture is a total
concept that can use natural agriculture,
terramechanics, terraforming, local food
production, wildscaping etc. " In other words,
permaculture is not just another parallel concept
to wildscaping, local food production, natural
agriculture. Permacultue IS the total concept
design system, which may use any number of
sub-systems like wildscaping, natural agriculture,
terraforming, etc. to achieve its goals. This
seems to imply a narrow vision of permaculture as
forest gardening with a design manual, or orchard
keeping, when in fact permaculture is a total
design concept under whose wings the rest of these
strategies can rest comfortably and productively.

That says it perfectly, Robert. If its OK with you I am going to stick this in the homepage for this list -
let me know if you want me to add a credit to you reading anything different than "a definition of permaculture provided
by one of this list's subscribers, Robert Waldrop, OKC". If I can fit it on I'll add it to the

Permaculture could also be described as "the source from which many Earth stewardship disciplines flow".






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