From: "Darren J. Doherty" <darren@permaculture.biz>
To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [permaculture] Indus Valley Now: design plan for human culture?
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:12:49 +1000
Hello Colin,
I believe after reading David Holmgren's latest tome "Permaculture:
Principles and Pathways beyond Sustainability" that he has a fair crack
at doing just that - at least the thinking directions.
Go to www.holmgren.com.au for a look and to get a copy.
Cheers,
Yours and Growing,
Darren Doherty
Applied Diploma of Permaculture Design, (Education, Site Design, System
Establishment & Implementation) Permaculture Institute (1995)
Permaculture Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995,
2001)
Whole Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), University of
Melbourne (1995)
principal consultant www.permaculture.biz
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Subject: Was: [permaculture] Indus Valley Now: design plan for human
culture?
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Creating a "permanent agriculture" means the humans
cultivating need a culture and a history that helps them
last.
Does permaculture suggest a design plan for human culture?
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These aren't the historical tomes you have in mind, but
they're in the direction you're looking:
The first 80 pages of Starhawk's _Truth or Dare_
Derrick Jensen's _Language older than words_ and _The
Culture of make believe_ (all of his work, really)
(those are almost historical tomes...)
Daniel Quinn's _Ishmael_ _My ishmael_ _Story of B_
You might also find Ken Wilber's books world-view
expanding- I don't have a particular one to recommend.
Also the anarchoprimitivist authors are fairly well-versed
in this kind of history:
The issue of common cultural perceptions and whose history
we learn is a huge one, as you suggest.
Even though we're aware of the possibly more accurate views
of history it is easy to ignore them with our behavior,
because that is what so many around us are doing (speaking
for myself).
Actually it is not easy... Which is why I'm seeking
community with others who share my orientation and desire to
live in a permaculture way.