OK, Darren - but just so you know:
"being realistic" has nothing to do with it.
Rob
> >Hi Mark,
> >I nearly always agree with your posts both here and in grazersedge.
> >It is always nice to see someone who is trying to be realistic about
> >improving the world, instead of this pie in the sky idealism (all or
> >nothing
> >attitude) which as you keep pointing out is just as likly to scare people
> >away than encourage them toward improving the world for everyone.
> >Keep up the good work Mark and know that your not the only one on list who
> >sees thing with out the uber-hippy point of view.
> >Regards
> >Darren
[permaculture] Permaculture defies reality,
urbana permaculture project, 12/15/2002