At 12:00 PM 11/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
My own attitude is not to get hot under the collar about esoteric content in permaculture
It is quite obvious to me that once one is deeply involved in living systems that the call of the pagan, the goddess consciousness comes bubbling out of the subconscious and may or may not take root in the waking conscious. One of the things that so captured me in Bill's courses was how he could evoke these feelings without ever making them explicit, in fact vehemently denying their existence.
I followed Bill's curriculum and his pedagogy until the contradictions became too much. For instance: No matter how much I put down bio dynamics, for not having sufficient data to support their claims, the more I was confronted with the fact that biodynamic gardens and farms were incredible healthy, productive, and perfect examples of how a permaculture agriculture should work.
The data on production, and soil fertility exist but how does one quantify vortexian energetics effect on manure stored in a cow's horn?
The long and the short of it is that there is spirit, whether you like it or not or whether you can measure or weigh it or not. The problem is that when you name it you have to defend your name or justify your name, so it is often better to demonstrate spirit rather than giving it a name..........................
Scott
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