Subject: Re: [permaculture] How long before ag land is safe?
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:03:54 -1000
John,
Yes, it's in lower Puna - right between Lava
Tree and Green Lake (Kapoho Crater) - just north of Halekamahina crater, if
you're familiar. It's where the red cross is here.
It's to the north of PGV, and while I'm
aware of it, I think I can tolerate it. It's right on the East Rift, but
life is short. Our neighbors on 3 sides are papaya, the fourth side
looks like a small homestead, with bananas and citrus.
It does have soil, not sure how deep.
I'm assuming it was probably cane at one time... most of that area was.
Part of what is attractive about this land to
me is that it's already been trashed - and we could do it a service to clean it
up. I'm just trying to get an idea of how bad it could be...
Subject: Re: [permaculture] How long before ag land
is safe?
> Aloha, > > > We've been eyeing some land in Hawaii
that's currently 15 acres of > > solid, chemically grown, monocropped
papaya. It's cheap, has an > > incredible location, and is
surrounded by tall windbreaks and some > > avocados, coconuts,
etc. It's mostly surrounded by more papaya > > fields. >
> Sounds kinda familar - if you'll tell me exactly where the piece is
I > may be able to provide some more info on why/why not it is/is not
a > good deal. If it's in Puna, there are several things besides
poison > spray to consider - PGV, lava flow hazard zone, and what the
ag > 'neighbors' are doing, to name a few. > > And is it for
sale fee simple when the lease ends, or would you be > taking the
lease? If so, what kine lease? > > > Our question is - how
long before it's > > "safe" to move in and live on that land? One
guy told us 3 years, > > which seems excessive - is it? How about
eating food off the land - > > wait longer for that? >
> Depends on a lot of things - is it soil, or just ripped lava; if
soil, > how deep; was sugar cane ever grown there; what else has been
grown > there; what are they spraying now; what else has been sprayed
there. > I'm assuming it's in Puna with consequent high
rainfall...? > > You might gather that info and check with Jim
Albertini (tell him I > sent you :-) at Malu 'Aina (malu-aina.org - near
Kurtistown) for his > thoughts on "how long". He's an organic
farmer, been in the area 20+ > years and is a social/political activist
who may have some useful info > for you. > > A hui
hou, > John S. > > ===== > John Schinnerer, MA >
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