To: "Jim and Inikica" <scottk@ideal.net.au>, <permaculture@listserv.oit.unc.edu>, "Robert Upitis" <rupitis@sydney.DIALix.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Indicator plants and FUNGI - field trips
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:54:33 +1100
Dan wrote:
>if your forest still has its fungi, you may be able to save the
trees, >though >it is a real long shot if you live in anywhere in
the North Temperate Zone.
we are in coastal humid rainforest borderline between sub-tropical to
temperate, heavy clay soil,
there is high recovery rate of soils in this climate [savoury]
BTW our north is not temperate it is stinking hot.
(Paul reckons I only know two temperatures stinking hot and freezing
cold!!)
my trees are over 80 years old and still fruiting well, the fungi
is on rotted wood on the ground level.
There are now 61 new fruit trees on our little patch and we will
soon need a saw to get through it. I don't feel there's a danger of tree loss,
can never tell I guess.
Anyway, this is where I am - Paul works at the big smoke, which is
probably ready to pack it in like
most steel cities in so called developed countries,
and I have to practice permaculture where I am now, not in a place for
retirement utopia.
maybe it is a red lichen that I have on site.
my point is - many things beyond plants are indicators. our
aboriginal people and numerous african desert tribes know this in their
bones.
I also have plenty of mushrooms and yellow cloud-like
fungi that pop up and dissappear, just to add interest. Our local
rainforests depend on fungi, lichens etc to convert old wood to soil, it is
common place to our local walkers.
FIELD TRIP: our little permaculture group recently
went hunting for mushrooms in the penrose state forest up over on the great
dividing range NSW Australia which is indeed acid - pine I think. They
found a wonderful old polish man as well!!
who told them even more about the different mushrooms.
Anyone round
this part of town in Jan 98 can join us on a walk through the Mt Keira bush
walking track. contact Jim and Inike, scottk@ideal.net.au or Robert
upitus rupitis@sydney.DIALix.oz.au
> >In a message dated 11/21/97 12:34:22 PM, askpv@ozemail.com.au
wrote: > >>lets not forget fungi as indicators
too, >> >>in the first 2 years we had only white fungi on the
trees >> >>now there is RED!!! which, according to at least
two references I can dig up >> >>for the sceptical in
my >> >>chaotic office here, >> >>Red fungi
indicates cleaner air than white fungi, no fungi in a
high >> >>rainfall area is a concern for
worry >> >>about high pollution
levels. >> >>It seems that our plantings along the road are
screening pollution better >> >>than
anticipated. >> >>April > >Generally in acid (and
otherwise polluted) rain and dust areas, loss of >mycorhizzal fungi
indicates the exhaustion of the soil buffering capacity. > Then aluminum
can be, and is, mobilized. It is utterly toxic to fungi. So >if
your forest still has its fungi, you may be able to save the
trees, though >it is a real long shot if you live in anywhere in the
North Temperate Zone. > >For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee
Permaculture Publications (since >1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops,
lectures, Permaculture Design Courses, >consulting and permaculture
designs (since 1981), and now correspondence >courses via email. One
is now underway. Next Live program:
Paraguay, 9/98. >Internships available. Copyright, 1997, Dan &
Cynthia Hemenway, P.O. Box 52, >Sparr FL 32192 USA YankeePerm@aol.com > >We don't
have time to rush. > >
Re: Indicator plants and FUNGI - field trips,
April Sampson-Kelly, 11/23/1997