Perhaps you are right, but it seems to me S-R operant conditioning andThis answer of yours to my query concerning S-R solidifies my identification of you as being potentially in the Peirce camp regarding triadic behavior. Peirce used communication between man and dog as an example of triadic communication. Percy didn't seem to agree with this, seeming to limit such communication to that between people or between humans and God.
classical Pavlovian conditioning both involve three elements that are joined
triadically in the same way as a symbol is triadically joined with both the
object to which it refers and to the interpretor of that symbol. In the case
of the symbol-object-intepreter we have a symbol that stands for an object
to an interpreter. In the case of Pavlovian conditioning we have a
conditioned stimulus (say a bell) that stands for an unconditioned stimulus
(say a piece of meet) to an interpreter (say a hungry dog). Or, in the case
of S-R conditioning we have a stimulus (say a bell) that stands for a reward
to an intrepter (say a lever pusher). I don't see how this learning
paradigm can be reduced to a series of dyadic chains of relations since it
is crucial that the three events are joined for the learning to occur and
none of the elements (stimulus, response or reinforcement) is simply the
result of only one of the other elements occuring.
OK, but does that mean that when one is thinking to herself or privately
learning something new she is not engaged in symbolic formulation?
I think one can communicateI'll agree with that, but I'm not sure it's triadic unless you engage in communication. At least, that's what Percy seems to say, but I'm not sure that Peirce would agree. I need to read more of Peirce.
both with nature (a great teacher) as well as with other folks. I think we
live in a meaningful universe and that all learning is meaningful and
symbolic.
I don't know whether it is or not, but I was not deliberately trying to draw
a distinction between Peirce and Percy.
I'm mostly just tossing these ideas out there in response to
Nikki's invitation in hopes of joining with you and others in meaningful
communication.
Of course I recognize that you may well be correct and that I am
not only mistaken but being defensive to boot. I usually am!
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