Subject: Re: [nafex] Grafting techniques and overall success
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
In a message dated 3/31/2013 9:48:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ehilborn@mebtel.net writes:
> But for more difficult situations such as grafting pawpaws, jujubes, nut
> trees, what are the best techniques for overall success? Is there a
> difference in overall success among techniques?
Betsy,
Conditions and timing can be more important that technique, especially when
grafting nut trees. Example, if a Carya or Juglans is bleeding and the
graft gets flooded getting a take is highly un-probable regardless of graft
method. But you can graft persimmon when the understock is "bleeding,"
completely flood the graft of any method and not inhibit success.
Bottom line is you also need to know the species being grafted.
Jerry
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In a message dated 3/29/2013 1:27:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alexis@conev.org writes:
My question is as follows. Given that my methods work better, why does
budding seem to be the industry standard? > Seems like budding leads to
> buds that heal but don't grow.
Hi Alexis,
After healing or callousing are you cutting off the top to force the bud?
If spring budding cut off the area above the bus after callousing. If fall
budded wait until the following spring then cut off the area above the bud.
The bud used is dormant and often a secondary bud which nature has in
reserve in case the branch tip is damaged, like breaking off or freezing.
Then
the reserve bud is activated and breaks dormancy. You don't want to force a
fall bud in the fall as it will likely go into winter too tender and suffer
severe winter damage.
Hope this answers your question.
Jerry
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Nikita's Gift
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In a message dated 3/29/2013 12:43:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
CEvanko@civconinc.com writes:
> I bought Nikita's Gift from One Green World in '09. It was at least 3
> years old. Last year I got my first persimmon. Oh, happy day!. 2 years
> ago
> I had flowers but they dropped without developing fruit. I am 30 miles
> west of Chicago which has been reclassified as 5b. 2 years ago we were
> having
> some severe weather in January in the negative numbers so I covered it
> with a large plastic bag for about 2 weeks. There has been no die-back but
> the severe weather may be the cause of the flower drop.
Hello Craig,
I feel quite certain winter damage is not the cause of fruit drop in
Nikita's Gift, a great persimmon. The flower buds appear on the current
years
growth, in other words they weren't on the tree to receive damage as Prunus
and
Asimina flower buds. Winter damage will be manifested in dead branches the
following spring.
Nikita's Gift (NG) has a high percentage of July (here) fruit drop. I'm not
sure why. One cause is a fungus that enters the fruit and I don't know how,
maybe in the flower. Cut one of the dropped fruits in half and look for
black centers.
Another may be lack of pollination, I know that sounds crazy as most of
it's fruits contain no viable seed. Here is my logic. Some persimmon
varieties
such as Meader will set no fruit if the flowers are bagged to block pollen.
I've never bagged NG to see if no fruits develop.
Hang in there, as the tree grows larger, producing more flowers, you will
get more fruits in spite of the July Fruit Drop. NG is a fantastic persimmon,
late ripening but fantastic.