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1. Re: Evans or Bali cherry (Steve) 2. Re: Evans or Bali cherry (Sarah Kehler Ewing) 3. Re: Eggs of enlightenment (Sarah Kehler Ewing) 4. Re: Eggs of enlightenment (Mark Angermayer) 5. Re: Eggs of enlightenment (Naomi Counides) 6. Re: Evans or Bali cherry (Ernest Plutko) 7. Re: Evans or Bali cherry (Kevin Moore)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:40:14 -0400 From: Steve Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry To: North American Fruit Explorers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I live about 40 to 50 miles south of St Lawrence Nurseries. I was up there one spring and he was telling me about the new cherry he was offering. I talked him (Bill) in to selling one to me even though he wasn't going to list them in the catalog for another year. We went out to the field and he dug one for me and cradled it in his hands as we walked back to the barn where he wrapped it up for the trip home. I planted it in soil that will grow plums like crazy. It never did well. It grew quickly into a small tree but most of the flower buds were killed over winter. It always had just scattered flowers and never produced more than a hand full of cherries in any one year. In fact, most of the leaf buds died each year too, leaving the terminal buds alive. Lots of bare twigs with a tuft of new growth on the ends. After several years, when the trunk diameter was about 4 inches, the leaves appeared to go into their fall colors in August, then the leaves fell off. That was the end of it.
Steve in the Adirondacks (zone 3 or 4)
mIEKAL aND wrote: > This is from the St. Lawrence Nursery website: > > "Discovered growing near Edmonton, Alberta, by Dr. Ieuan Evans, Bali > has fruited after withstanding minus 43 degrees F. A vigorous grower > and precocious producer, yielding large (up to1 inch) fruit excellent > for pies, sauces, jams and even fresh eating. Five year old trees > (about 7 ft tall) have produced up to 10 gallons of fruit. Trees are > from tissue culture, which means there is no graft or rootstock to > worry about. Natural dwarf." > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Ernest Plutko wrote: >> My Bali trees have a few flowers but no cherries. No suckering and >> poor growth. I am disappointed because I read how wonderful and >> hardy Bail is. Bali originated in Canada but I read the American >> version is not on own roots. I don't think Mazzard is hardy enough. >> There are probably different versions of Bali on different roots. >> There is a small nursery about 40 miles from me. The owner imports >> some stock from Winnipeg in the spring. She said it is a hassle to >> get import certificates but Canadian nursery is better for this area. >> I'll track her down and ask her to import Bali this spring. >> >> Ernie zone 2/3
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Kehler Ewing Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry To: North American Fruit Explorers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I find your story quite bizarre. Every year I go pick cherries by the five gallon pail off my friends Evan's cherry trees (she has 7 growing and suckering like weeds on top of a exposed windy hill). Every year we merely admire the bumper crop of cherries that are well out of our reach on a 10 foot ladder! And we hit -45 F pretty much every year and usually have a nice cold North wind chill to add to that.
But I have heard that the cherries that do well up here (Evan's and the U. of S. collection) like poor soil. That's not really a problem for us as we have this really great clay that ensures everything grows nice and slow! >From what I see, we don't get 4" caliper tree in less than 10 years in this area.
Sarah zone 3 Edmonton, AB
> I planted it in soil that will grow plums like crazy. It > never did well. It grew quickly into a small tree but most of the flower > buds were killed over winter. It always had just scattered flowers > and never produced more than a hand full of cherries in any one year. > In fact, most of the leaf buds died each year too, leaving the > terminal buds alive. Lots of bare twigs with a tuft of new growth on the > ends. After several years, when the trunk diameter was about 4 > inches, the leaves appeared to go into their fall colors in August, > then the leaves fell off. That was the end of it. > > Steve in the Adirondacks (zone 3 or 4)
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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Kehler Ewing Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment To: North American Fruit Explorers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
You should hear the comments we get when people see our green and blue eggs from our Americauna chickens! They usually think they are mouldy! I also laugh at the people who want to buy "farm fresh eggs", but first want to know if they have those 'awful dark orange yolks"! Why, yes they do and I feed my chickens alfalfa hay all winter to make sure they stay that way (weeds, grass and horror of horrors: worms, slugs and bugs in the summer too!).
On the other hand, we have no trouble selling all the eggs we care to produce to my husbands co-workers for twice what our neighbours get: some people do appreciate the dark yolks and the flavour.
Sarah zone 3 Edmonton, AB
I remember when Brent Stauff gave me a dozen fresh eggs from his chickens.? He would weed his garden and throw the weeds to the chickens.? The yolks were dark orange and tasted so ?eggy?.
Naomi
I've met a few people who won't eat my farm eggs. They didn't come from the store. Are they safe? Won't they spoil if they aren't in the refrigerator? One threw them away after she had them a week because they were too old. And some even dumber ideas than that. And they know they're right so I don't try to educate, but I never give them eggs again. The other side of the coin are the people who insist on brown eggs and truly appreciate what my chickie girls have done and gladly pay me more than they'd pay at Wal Mart.
Toni in zone 4 Iowa USA
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:31:07 -0500 From: "Mark Angermayer" Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment To: "North American Fruit Explorers" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I've had lots of "farm fresh eggs" from different folks. I tend to like the dark yolks a little better, than typical caged layer eggs. However, a significant problem from local producers, is uniform quality. Some eggs from locals have been too old, from not gathering daily (they float in water). Many times they have chicken poop on them, whereas store-bought eggs are washed. Uniform size is another issue with local eggs (uniformity is not a big issue, but still, when half the dozen is small eggs, you're getting less eggs for your money, unless the smaller eggs are reflected in the price). Shell color makes no difference to me.
I like the dark yolk eggs from locals, but quality has been an issue.
Mark KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Kehler Ewing" <> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment
> > You should hear the comments we get when people see our green and blue eggs from our Americauna chickens! They usually think they are mouldy! I also laugh at the people who want to buy "farm fresh eggs", but first want to know if they have those 'awful dark orange yolks"! Why, yes they do and I feed my chickens alfalfa hay all winter to make sure they stay that way (weeds, grass and horror of horrors: worms, slugs and bugs in the summer too!). > > On the other hand, we have no trouble selling all the eggs we care to produce to my husbands co-workers for twice what our neighbours get: some people do appreciate the dark yolks and the flavour. > > Sarah > zone 3 > Edmonton, AB > > > I remember when Brent Stauff gave me a dozen fresh eggs from his chickens. He would weed his garden and throw the weeds to the chickens. The yolks were dark orange and tasted so ?eggy?. > > Naomi > > I've met a few people who won't eat my farm eggs. They didn't come from the store. Are they safe? Won't they spoil if they aren't in the refrigerator? One threw them away after she had them a week because they were too old. And some even dumber ideas than that. And they know they're right so I don't try to educate, but I never give them eggs again. The other side of the coin are the people who insist on brown eggs and truly appreciate what my chickie girls have done and gladly pay me more than they'd pay at Wal Mart. > > Toni in zone 4 Iowa USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org > > Reproduction of list messages or archives is not allowed. > This includes distribution on other email lists or reproduction on web sites. > Permission to reproduce is NEVER granted, so don't claim you have permission! > > **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!** > Posts from email addresses that are not subscribed are discarded. > No exceptions. > ---- > To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be used to change other email options): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > File attachments are NOT stripped by this list. > TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES! > Please do not send binary files. > Use plain text ONLY in emails! > > NAFEX web site: http://www.nafex.org/
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:08:33 -0600 From: "Naomi Counides" Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Washing off poop removes the "bloom" which is nature's protective covering on the egg keeping it fresh. I brush off excess poop and mud. It is more of a problem after rainy weather and keep those for home use.
Old eggs I do not understand. If I have questions in my mind, (like finding and escaped chicken's nest in the haystack)on the age of the eggs I have some very happy dogs and cats. Then I watch those nests. I keep those eggs for the house because those chickens foragers, ate greens and bugs and picked through manure looking for the tasty bits. Those are the best tasting eggs.
The birds in the coop get hostess cupcakes and other pastry garbage that comes on the rack from the day old bread store. I give the goats a few slices of bread on the milkstand as a treat but the sweet stuff.. yuck.. Well chickens will eat anything. And sometimes I pour a bit of extra goat milk over it. Coop birds get kitchen and garden waste also and weeds so their eggs are actually quite good.. but they also are excellent biological units for disposing of commercial pastry junk with 3 inch long lists of ingredients.
Eggs are pretty easy to keep safe, fresh and clean. Now goat milk (or any other milk) that does require clean and quick handling. I am real picky about my milk. Naomi
-----Original Message----- From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Angermayer Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:31 PM To: North American Fruit Explorers Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment
I've had lots of "farm fresh eggs" from different folks. I tend to like the dark yolks a little better, than typical caged layer eggs. However, a significant problem from local producers, is uniform quality. Some eggs from locals have been too old, from not gathering daily (they float in water). Many times they have chicken poop on them, whereas store-bought eggs are washed. Uniform size is another issue with local eggs (uniformity is not a big issue, but still, when half the dozen is small eggs, you're getting less eggs for your money, unless the smaller eggs are reflected in the price). Shell color makes no difference to me.
I like the dark yolk eggs from locals, but quality has been an issue.
Mark KS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Kehler Ewing" <> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Eggs of enlightenment
> > You should hear the comments we get when people see our green and blue eggs from our Americauna chickens! They usually think they are mouldy! I also laugh at the people who want to buy "farm fresh eggs", but first want to know if they have those 'awful dark orange yolks"! Why, yes they do and I feed my chickens alfalfa hay all winter to make sure they stay that way (weeds, grass and horror of horrors: worms, slugs and bugs in the summer too!). > > On the other hand, we have no trouble selling all the eggs we care to produce to my husbands co-workers for twice what our neighbours get: some people do appreciate the dark yolks and the flavour. > > Sarah > zone 3 > Edmonton, AB > > > I remember when Brent Stauff gave me a dozen fresh eggs from his chickens. He would weed his garden and throw the weeds to the chickens. The yolks were dark orange and tasted so "eggy". > > Naomi > > I've met a few people who won't eat my farm eggs. They didn't come from the store. Are they safe? Won't they spoil if they aren't in the refrigerator? One threw them away after she had them a week because they were too old. And some even dumber ideas than that. And they know they're right so I don't try to educate, but I never give them eggs again. The other side of the coin are the people who insist on brown eggs and truly appreciate what my chickie girls have done and gladly pay me more than they'd pay at Wal Mart. > > Toni in zone 4 Iowa USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org > > Reproduction of list messages or archives is not allowed. > This includes distribution on other email lists or reproduction on web sites. > Permission to reproduce is NEVER granted, so don't claim you have permission! > > **YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!** > Posts from email addresses that are not subscribed are discarded. > No exceptions. > ---- > To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can be used to change other email options): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > File attachments are NOT stripped by this list. > TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES! > Please do not send binary files. > Use plain text ONLY in emails! > > NAFEX web site: http://www.nafex.org/
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:21:38 -0500 From: "Ernest Plutko" Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Not quite bizarre. Different roots on Canadian and US trees. Different climates which is very important.
---- Original Message ---- From: skkewing@yahoo.com To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >I find your story quite bizarre. Every year I go pick cherries by >the five gallon pail off my friends Evan's cherry trees (she has 7 >growing and suckering like weeds on top of a exposed windy hill). >Every year we merely admire the bumper crop of cherries that are well >out of our reach on a 10 foot ladder! And we hit -45 F pretty much >every year and usually have a nice cold North wind chill to add to >that. > >But I have heard that the cherries that do well up here (Evan's and >the U. of S. collection) like poor soil. That's not really a problem >for us as we have this really great clay that ensures everything >grows nice and slow! >>From what I see, we don't get 4" caliper tree in less than 10 years >in this area. > >Sarah >zone 3 >Edmonton, AB > > >> I planted it in soil that will grow plums like crazy. It >> never did well. It grew quickly into a small tree but most of the >flower >> buds were killed over winter. It always had just scattered flowers >> and never produced more than a hand full of cherries in any one >year. >> In fact, most of the leaf buds died each year too, leaving the >> terminal buds alive. Lots of bare twigs with a tuft of new growth >on the >> ends. After several years, when the trunk diameter was about 4 >> inches, the leaves appeared to go into their fall colors in August, >> then the leaves fell off. That was the end of it. >> >> Steve in the Adirondacks (zone 3 or 4) > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex@lists.ibiblio.org > >Reproduction of list messages or archives is not allowed. >This includes distribution on other email lists or reproduction on >web sites. >Permission to reproduce is NEVER granted, so don't claim you have >permission! > >**YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!** >Posts from email addresses that are not subscribed are discarded. >No exceptions. >---- >To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can >be used to change other email options): >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > >File attachments are NOT stripped by this list. >TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES! >Please do not send binary files. >Use plain text ONLY in emails! > >NAFEX web site: http://www.nafex.org/
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Moore Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry To: North American Fruit Explorers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I thought Evans generally grew on their own roots. With all the talk of prolific suckering, I can't see any reason why there should be a need to graft these trees.
________________________________ From: Ernest Plutko To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:21:38 AM Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry
Not quite bizarre. Different roots on Canadian and US trees. Different climates which is very important.
---- Original Message ---- From: skkewing@yahoo.com To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Evans or Bali cherry Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >I find your story quite bizarre. Every year I go pick cherries by >the five gallon pail off my friends Evan's cherry trees (she has 7 >growing and suckering like weeds on top of a exposed windy hill). >Every year we merely admire the bumper crop of cherries that are well >out of our reach on a 10 foot ladder! And we hit -45 F pretty much >every year and usually have a nice cold North wind chill to add to >that. > >But I have heard that the cherries that do well up here (Evan's and >the U. of S. collection) like poor soil. That's not really a problem >for us as we have this really great clay that ensures everything >grows nice and slow! >>From what I see, we don't get 4" caliper tree in less than 10 years >in this area. > >Sarah >zone 3 >Edmonton, AB > > >> I planted it in soil that will grow plums like crazy. It >> never did well. It grew quickly into a small tree but most of the >flower >> buds were killed over winter. It always had just scattered flowers >> and never produced more than a hand full of cherries in any one >year. >> In fact, most of the leaf buds died each year too, leaving the >> terminal buds alive. Lots of bare twigs with a tuft of new growth >on the >> ends. After several years, when the trunk diameter was about 4 >> inches, the leaves appeared to go into their fall colors in August, >> then the leaves fell off. That was the end of it. >> >> Steve in the Adirondacks (zone 3 or 4) > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex@lists.ibiblio.org > >Reproduction of list messages or archives is not allowed. >This includes distribution on other email lists or reproduction on >web sites. >Permission to reproduce is NEVER granted, so don't claim you have >permission! > >**YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO POST!** >Posts from email addresses that are not subscribed are discarded. >No exceptions. >---- >To subscribe or unsubscribe, go to the bottom of this page (also can >be used to change other email options): >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > >File attachments are NOT stripped by this list. >TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM COMPUTER VIRUSES! >Please do not send binary files. >Use plain text ONLY in emails! > >NAFEX web site: http://www.nafex.org/
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