To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 05:50:54 -0800
Lon,
Both Ribes odoratum and Ribes aureum have a listed
variety called golden currant. Are these two different things? The one I know as
golden currant was growing wild in the mountains east of Boise.
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum
(Clove or Buffalo Currant)
I got Crandall in the 1960's and grew it for many years by
itself and got full crops with no other currants around. I took stock of that
plant to Weeks' Berry Nursery in Salem, Oregon about 1980 and they have been
selling it for quite some time. They are wholesale only, so you would have to
find a garden center that would buy from them. They have a website. I don't
have it any more as I remove the row for a building and the transplanted
plants died due to a mishap. -Lon Rombough Grapes, writing, consulting,
my book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the
Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003. On Jan
3, 2007, at 3:48 PM, William C. Garthright wrote:
I appreciate all the
comments about these native black currants (I've also seen them listed as
Ribes aureum, var. 'Crandall'), but there are two things I wasn't able to
determine last year (before I joined the NAFEX list). I planted some of
these anyway, but could I get some help on these questions,
please?
1. For best fruit production, do you prune them like other
Ribes (remove three year and older stems)?
2. I received nothing
but conflicting information about these plants. Several nurseries told me
that the 'Crandall' variety of /Ribes odoratum/ (clove currant, buffalo
currant, golden currant, etc.) would set fruit with just one plant. But
the Missouri Botanical Garden says Ribes odoratum is dioecious, requiring
both a male and a female plant to set fruit. Apparently, this comes from
the reference work, "A Manual of Woody Landscape Plants" by Michael A.
Dirr.
Does anyone here know for sure? Have you seen separate male and
female plants? Or perhaps it's dioecious, but the female plants will still
set "some" fruit without a male?
At least one nursery told me that
"cross-pollination" would increase fruit production, and that a Ribes
nigrum type of black currant would work for that (and maybe other Ribes
species?). If that's true, I suppose all these nurseries could be seeing
fruit from Ribes odoratum because they have other Ribes planted
nearby...
I ended up buying from two different nurseries, but I was
totally confused by then. So I planted 6 of the 'Crandall' currants and
one seedling clove currant, just in case. But, of course, I don't know if
the seedling currant is male or female, or even if they really ARE
dioecious. Anyone know for sure?
Thanks much,
Bill
--
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own facts. But that's not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all.
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