Man, I thought deer hunting in the high 20's for a half a day was rough. I have lived, for periods of time where it snowed, not much , but enough for me to know that I belong in warm weather. I think I could live again as cold as VA; but would never want to be colder than that.....
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--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:41 AM
Coastal Maine is the same 4-5 USDA zone as northern PA
(where I am). And we
have 48 hour periods where the temperature never rises
above ZERO.
Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
> But Lynn, do you know how cold it gets in Maine. They
have entire 48 hour
> periods where the temperature never rises above
freezing. And from
> reading Stephen King in my youth, ME sounds like an
altogether spooky
> place; with strnage people with histories full of
ghosts and goblins ;-)
> .........................
>
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> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
<lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
<lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
>> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:01 PM
>> Susan Jane; Maine is a very special place. If I
ever leave
>> here, that's
>> where I'm heading. My sister lives on Mt.
Desert
>> Island, but owns land in
>> Belfast, and plans to build her dream house there
very
>> soon. And she know
>> Peter, the orchard ladder hippie guy :-)
>>
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>> Tioga Co. PA
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sjc"
<indexer AT fairpoint.net>
>> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
>>
>>
>> > rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Really? How did they do that? And when?
Are you
>> referring to a particular
>> >> event?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Late in the 50s and early in the 60s many
people left
>> this area for jobs
>> > elsewhere; the only real jobs left here for
many years
>> thereafter were
>> > 'factory' chicken operations, huge
processing
>> plants down on the
>> > Penobscot Bay (which had waste chutes 8'
across
>> where waste was shovel
>> > straight into the Bay), and a smattering of
leftover
>> lobstermen and
>> > fishers. The fisherman were at the beginning
of the
>> overfishing and
>> > couldn't make a living, a lot of them
turned to
>> lobstering. That still
>> > survives; they took it upon themselves to set
limits
>> after having
>> > watched what happened to the fisheries. Just
about
>> everything else was
>> > chickens. Most everybody else took off for
>> 'greener pastures' (I guess
>> > that means where the snow in July in the
gutter
>> isn't actually white
>> > chicken feathers), largely Boston and beyond.
A lot
>> of farmers, having
>> > bought the 'can't make any money
farming
>> anymore' walked off and left
>> > land, houses, whatever.
>> >
>> > People were happy to sell some large tracts
to
>> incoming
>> > back-to0-the-lander, hippie types. There
were
>> hundreds at one time.
>> > So, they were pretty well-educated, willing
to take a
>> risk, supported
>> > through the initial stages, not afraid to be
doing
>> something new. Now
>> > they're old hippies, but it turned out
they were
>> well educated (Daddy's
>> > money), and had enough of the same money
(trust funds)
>> to buy land and
>> > actually get it going. MOFGA was in its
infancy then
>> but there were a
>> > couple of people there who helped them off to
a decent
>> organic start,
>> > information-wise, and a few of the old
farmers left
>> here helped them.
>> >
>> > Just about the time they got a toehold, the
chicken
>> business in Maine
>> > fell apart (disease) and more people left,
leaving
>> more ground, some of
>> > which was occupied by said folks, mostly by
then in
>> family groups. They
>> > all had kids, which they homeschooled, county
was too
>> broke so they
>> > looked the other way. Eventually Pop's
money ran
>> out, and everybody
>> > buckled down to work. The kids were reared
to be
>> polite, to work with
>> > their hands and backs, to be respectful,
curious,
>> hardworking,
>> > goal-oriented, independent, contributing
members of
>> their community.
>> > They learned in many cases to take care of
the old
>> farmers and their
>> > wives who'd helped them when they first
came. Now
>> those kids have grown
>> > up to be some real decent folks, with a good
sense of
>> who they are, who
>> > else is here, a good bit of wisdom for a
group of
>> young people. They're
>> > teaching, some abroad, in the military,
taking care of
>> grandparents.....
>> >
>> > The adults who came here as kids are now
mayors/town
>> managers in many
>> > of our small towns here, and enthusiastic
still about
>> the area, willing
>> > to work hard for it. Most of the staff of
Unity
>> College got their start
>> > right here on Stovepipe Alley (one of the
communes
>> which is now a
>> > cohousing unit under I-forget-the-name).
Most of the
>> staff of College
>> > of the Atlantic came from here, same
circumstances.
>> Not a few are
>> > professors at UMO and UMA. We have a
reasonable tax
>> base. They started
>> > and still own a newspaper. They redeemed
many old
>> buildings and built
>> > many new ones which one can be pleased to
see. They
>> have been at the
>> > forefront of alternative energy in Maine, and
some of
>> them, on a
>> > national basis. There are no 6000sq foot
boxes here,
>> nor nasty
>> > mortgages to pull us into the fray to the
south. We
>> have libraries now,
>> > parks and other public places, beach access
in many
>> places, and many
>> > small businesses which employ our residents.
they
>> still don't poke into
>> > anybody else's business, and I've
never heard
>> of a one of them
>> > bellyaching about what services they
don't have or
>> can't get here (my
>> > personal gripe; if ya want it, stay where ya
have it).
>> >
>> > We do have 2 stoplights here now, but
that's due
>> to the old yuppie
>> > (Crowley, MBNA) who thought he'd make a
killing
>> off the dumb Mainers
>> > and installed a huge call center where he
soon found
>> out that the dumb
>> > Mainers here don't like to lie to
consumers, even
>> on the phone, and so
>> > won't sell bad interest rates without
telling
>> people what they're
>> > getting into. I think they were here 4
years.
>> Didn't take everybody
>> > long to decide they'd rather have the
>> hippies......
>> >
>> > The sense of community is outstanding here;
when my
>> house burned in '01
>> > I told 6 people to please spread the word (on
Wed, too
>> late to get it in
>> > paper) that I planned to have a house-raising
on Fri
>> & Sat (Thanksgiving
>> > weekend) and to please come, and bring any
tool you
>> don't mind others
>> > using, and any materials you may have that
you
>> don't otherwise want.
>> > Fri there were well over 60 people (plus
children who
>> could actually be
>> > trusted to operate a tape, carry cheerfully,
whatever)
>> and on Saturday
>> > over 100 folks, plus a lot more who came by
but would
>> have had to park
>> > too far down the muddy road (over a mile).
Little
>> kids restacked my
>> > half-burned firewood to a new spot, picked up
trash,
>> dragged magnets,
>> > corraled dogs (strict leash law here backed
by 410s).
>> A rousing good
>> > time and much good food was had by all, and
by Sat
>> dark (about 4:00 that
>> > time of year) the shell was up except for the
roofing,
>> which hadn't come
>> > in yet. About half the materials were
donated. Peter
>> (old hippie,
>> > probably still count himself one, who makes
apple
>> ladders brought the
>> > rafters he'd cut in the woods that
morning.
>> Donald, one of the few
>> > farmers who welcomed new people to the land
even if
>> they were hippies,
>> > was in the woods logging Fri and came Sat and
cut
>> those logs right in
>> > the driveway into the flooring, with the
measuring and
>> toting help of
>> > two hippies' grandchildren. The next
Saturday the
>> roofing went on in
>> > four hours. We like (treasure, actually)
that sense
>> of community and we
>> > all know and acknowledge that had Waldo
County driven
>> off the hippies,
>> > as did many surrounding places, we'd now
not have
>> what we do, in many
>> > ways. Their children, after living all over
the
>> world, are now coming
>> > home to be teachers in our schools,
administrator at
>> our hospital,
>> > manager at the credit union....and so it
marches on.
>> >
>> > The counties adjacent to us, with the
exception of
>> Knox County (Camden,
>> > old money and established tourism), were in
similar
>> shape to our county
>> > at the beginning of 1960. They were just
beginning to
>> get their heads
>> > above water when things slowed down this
time, and now
>> who knows; they
>> > are already in trouble in 3 of the 4
>> counties....meanwhile we are in
>> > reasonably good shape here.
>> >
>> > So even though nobody really wanted them to
come, or
>> so I'm told, it's
>> > not been tooooo bad. I doubt if you'd
find anyone
>> complaining here,
>> > now. I can't think when I heard the last
person
>> grumble about 'them
>> > hippies', maybe about 1990?
>> >
>> > They did OK by us.
>> >
>> > SJ
>> >
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