From: David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Fw: Fw: The pronunciation of YHVH
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:58:22 -0500
On Sat Jan 15 22:27:11 EST 2011
Chavoux Luyt chavoux at gmail.com writes:
Hi all
I came across an earlier discussion on the pronunciation of the Name of
YHVH, looking again at the evidence for the pronunciation as YAHWEH
using early CE Greek manuscripts (now closed). I used to wonder how
modern scholars came to that particular pronunciation...snip-snip
Comments
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-----------------------------------
Hi Chavoux,
This is my second reply to you, and I was going to try to answer your
question:
[ e.g. how modern scholars came to that particular pronunciation [ i.e. .
"Yahweh"]
by using images either taken from William Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of
the Bible",
or by using images taken from the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon of 1905.
I hope that all my links work OK.
First it is my opinion that only one specific Hebrew Scholar
[ i.e. the 19th century Hebrew Scholar Gesenius ]
(via a proposed Hebrew punctuation of YHWH, sometimes referred to as "a
guess name",)
is totally responsible for the English Spelling "Yahweh" .
Gesenius proposed the Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-he-silent
shewa-waw-segol-he]
as a possible better rendering of YHWH than Jehovah was.
The link shown below:
URL: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/BDBYahwehtrimmed.jpg
hopefully takes you to an image taken from the Brown-Driver-Briggs
Lexicon of 1905,
As shown in the image, "Yahweh" is a perfect letter-by-letter
transliteration of
[yod-patah-he-silent shewa-waw-segol-he]
The next link which is shown below:
URL: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/Geseniusproposedpunctuation.
JPG
hopefully takes you to an image taken from William Smith's 1863 "A
Dictionary of the Bible"
This image acknowledges that it is Gesenius that proposed the Hebrew
Punctuation:
[yod-patah-he-silent shewa-waw-segol-he]
PLEASE NOTE THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT WILLIAM SMITH HAS PROVIDED US
IN THE FIRST FIVE SENTENCES!
IF WHAT WILLIAM SMITH HAS WRITTEN IS ACTUALLY TRUE,
[ WE NEED A SUPER HEBREW SCHOLAR TO DETERMINE IF IT IS TRUE]
THEN THE HEBREW PREFIX "YEHO" [ i.e. YOD-SHEWA-HE-HOLEM-WAW] CAN BE
DERIVED FROM THE FIRST THREE LETTERS OF YAHWEH [i.e. YOD-PATAH-HE-SILENT
SHEWA-WAW]?
If the Hebrew prefix "Yeho" can be derived from "Yahweh", it would appear
as if all Hebrew theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes can be derived
from "Yahweh", and that it is EXTREMELY LIKELY THAT YAHWEH MAY HAVE BEEN
THE ORIGINAL SPELLING OF GOD'S HEBREW NAME.
PLEASE NOTICE THAT I ONLY LEFT ONE OR TWO WEASEL WORDS IN THE PREVIOUS
SENTENCE :-).
P.S. Before he left, Peter Kirk and Garth Grenache, and myself discussed
this issue on B-hebrew.
Peter Kirk believed he might be able to do the derivation in SIX STEPS,
but he didn't think he could do the derivation in only THREE STEPS. as
William Smith claimed it could be done in.
VOLUNTEERS WELCOME TO TRY TO CREATE A "YEHO" PREFIX FROM "YAHWEH" IN ONLY
THREE EASY STEPS!
Gesenius suggested that his proposed punctuation of YHWH might be the
Hiph. fut. of the substantive verb.
____________________________________________________________
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On Sat Jan 15 22:27:11 EST 2011
Chavoux Luyt chavoux at gmail.com writes:
Hi all
I came across an earlier discussion on the pronunciation of the Name of
YHVH, looking again at the evidence for the pronunciation as YAHWEH
using early CE Greek manuscripts (now closed). I used to wonder how
modern scholars came to that particular pronunciation...snip-snip
Comments
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------
Hi Chavoux,
This is my second reply to you, and I was going to try to answer your
question:
[ e.g. how modern scholars came to that particular pronunciation [ i.e. .
"Yahweh"]
by using images either taken from William Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of
the Bible",
or by using images taken from the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon of 1905.
I hope that all my links work OK.
First it is my opinion that only one specific Hebrew Scholar
[ i.e. the 19th century Hebrew Scholar Gesenius ]
(via a proposed Hebrew punctuation of YHWH, sometimes referred to as "a
guess name",)
is totally responsible for the English Spelling "Yahweh" .
Gesenius proposed the Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-he-silent
shewa-waw-segol-he]
as a possible better rendering of YHWH than Jehovah was.
The link shown below:
URL: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/BDBYahwehtrimmed.jpg
hopefully takes you to an image taken from the Brown-Driver-Briggs
Lexicon of 1905,
As shown in the image, "Yahweh" is a perfect letter-by-letter
transliteration of
[yod-patah-he-silent shewa-waw-segol-he]
The next link which is shown below:
URL: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/Geseniusproposedpunctuation.
JPG
hopefully takes you to an image taken from William Smith's 1863 "A
Dictionary of the Bible"
This image acknowledges that it is Gesenius that proposed the Hebrew
Punctuation:
[yod-patah-he-silent shewa-waw-segol-he]
PLEASE NOTE THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT WILLIAM SMITH HAS PROVIDED US
IN THE FIRST FIVE SENTENCES!
IF WHAT WILLIAM SMITH HAS WRITTEN IS ACTUALLY TRUE,
[ WE NEED A SUPER HEBREW SCHOLAR TO DETERMINE IF IT IS TRUE]
THEN THE HEBREW PREFIX "YEHO" [ i.e. YOD-SHEWA-HE-HOLEM-WAW] CAN BE
DERIVED FROM THE FIRST THREE LETTERS OF YAHWEH [i.e. YOD-PATAH-HE-SILENT
SHEWA-WAW]?
If the Hebrew prefix "Yeho" can be derived from "Yahweh", it would appear
as if all Hebrew theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes can be derived
from "Yahweh", and that it is EXTREMELY LIKELY THAT YAHWEH MAY HAVE BEEN
THE ORIGINAL SPELLING OF GOD'S HEBREW NAME.
PLEASE NOTICE THAT I ONLY LEFT ONE OR TWO WEASEL WORDS IN THE PREVIOUS
SENTENCE :-).
P.S. Before he left, Peter Kirk and Garth Grenache, and myself discussed
this issue on B-hebrew.
Peter Kirk believed he might be able to do the derivation in SIX STEPS,
but he didn't think he could do the derivation in only THREE STEPS. as
William Smith claimed it could be done in.
VOLUNTEERS WELCOME TO TRY TO CREATE A "YEHO" PREFIX FROM "YAHWEH" IN ONLY
THREE EASY STEPS!
Gesenius suggested that his proposed punctuation of YHWH might be the
Hiph. fut. of the substantive verb.
____________________________________________________________
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