Dr:Furuli:> When I teach my students how to translate words (I mean
"words," because
that is all that is on the page) from one language to another, I often
use
Ogden`s triangle of signification, with "sign," "concept," and
"reference"
at the three corners. It is of utmost importance to differentiate between
the
"concept" (=meaning in the minds of persons with the same presupposition
pool) and the "reference" (=the thing in the world denoted by the word).
Response: Let me see if I am following you, the sign is the actual word
itself 'OLAM, the concept is what existed in the mind of the Hebrew
writters, the reference in basically what we define in the dictionary or
what we use today in English to convey that idea?
Dr.Furuli:> No one today has the same presupposition pool as the Hebrews
in ancient
days, and concepts can seldom be defined, they must be known. So the
lexical
semantics of classical Hebrew
is based on induction, and includes all the weaknesses and uncertaintees
of
this method. I think that the core of the cencept behind the root (LM is
something that is hidden (my thinking is also based upon induction).
Applied
to the nominal sphere with the form (WLM, I think the core meaning is
"hidden time" with an indifference regarding the length or nature of the
hidden time. In other words, the concept "long" is not a part of the
*meaning* of (WLAM. Nonetheless, in most cases the reference of (WLM is a
"long time", even "eternity". But beware of confusing "meaning" with
"reference"!
Response: Ok, but how did you come up with this core meaning of "hidden
time?" Did you base it off of context or did you do something special.
Not arguing that you are wrong or right I just don't follow your train of
thought here.
I understand (well I think I do) your distinction between meaning and
reference, but how did you conclude that the meaning of 'OLAM is "hidden
time?"
For instance when it says God of OLAM, do you think it means that God is
the God of unknown time? Or God of eternalty?
--
Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net
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