RE: [b-hebrew] tenses> Having reread your posts vadim it seems that you
are saying the exact same thing as
Rolf but from a different perspective.
Well, not. Our positions with Rolf coincide where we both reject the idea
of imperfective, since it obviously doesn't meet the majority of entries.
Rolf, as I understand him, argues for ad hoc translation based on very
subjective views of the context.
I, on the contrary, argue that yiqtol is a future tense by default, and
deviations from that meaning are idiomatic (etymologically related to
future tense) or stemming from deictic shifts; in any case, non-future
yiqtols are unambiguous from the immediate context.
last phrase of Isaiah 53:12 as future, while Rolf *interprets* it as the
past tense.
very subjective, thus not a method at all.
You are saying that the major use is a future tense. Rolf says the same
thing.
You are saying that there are cases where the same form is used with apast reference (this you attribute to a 'deictic shift'). Rolf agrees that
deictic
the same
form is used in past reference.
The point is that yiqtol under deictic shift is still future tense - from
narrator's time reference point. Consider my earlier example of sports
commentator reviewing playback of a match, "Now he will push forward!"
This relates to past events, but is future tense. This is how deictic
shift works.
You are saying that the form does not have inherent aspect in theRolf is saying the exact same thing.
traditional sense.
This makes two of us. In fact, I have an impression that had Rolf been
born into Russian as the mother tongue, and see the Tanakh through Russian
grammatical assumptions regarding the use of future tense, we would have
no problem coming to a common ground.
In fact, in conclusion, you are saying that neither tense nor aspect isin the form yet it is evident which tense is the major usage. Rolf is
grammaticalised
saying the exact
same thing.
I don't recall saying that the tense is not grammaticalized. Rather,
yiqtol was originally the future tense, and later, as in any language,
acquired some idiomatic usage which does not invalidate yiqtol's major use
as future tense.
Vadim Cherny
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