>Paul doesn't know about it and he died in the mid to late
>60's. Matthew and Luke have different variants. This seems
>to place the development of the virgin birth sometime between
>70 and 90 CE in Antioch or Ephesus. 4G, supposedly of Ephesian
>origin, has no virgin birth...so did Matthew get it from Luke
>or Luke from Matthew? Is it possible this was just a Matthean
>aggaddic midrash gone wild amongst the goyim?
we are now in synoptic list territory...
the short answer, jack ole' buddy, is that they both got it from Q- who
portrays jesus as a "great man"... hmmmmmm.......