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["Jim Powell (Madison Environmental Justice)" <jimpowell@mejo.us>]

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On 7/11/2024 10:34 PM, Lawrence London wrote:

hope it's OK to forward this to the PC list

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From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] What is a bioregion?
To: Jim Powell (Madison Environmental Justice) <jimpowell@mejo.us>

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 3:59 PM Jim Powell (Madison Environmental Justice) <jimpowell@mejo.us> wrote:

Hi Lawrence. Yes, all those things happened by why did bioregionalists give up on bioregionalism? The land base is key to all; societal counteracting actions pre-date the concept, so bioregionalism gained a little traction in the same social milieu you postulate is its decline. There's something more going on.

My own experience here in Wisconsin is that movement building (bioregionalism) was subsumed by politics (Greens moved from the former to the latter, and enviros put all their eggs in the climate change policy basket). These are abstractions, especially in light of land-based bioregionalism. Talk is easier than action?

Very well said. Yes, absolutely, I wondered if it was real and not imagined that the Greens went political (USA and Germany maybe elsewhere - maybe the same political party?) and the "enviros" launched themselves into the "climate change abyss". Mission creep. For me Permaculture is the ultimate answer and the ultimate solution.

It is for everyone and very down to Earth. Mollison may have said that "any limit to a permaculture design is only due to any limitation of the imagination of the designer". I knew people in a non profit organization focused on pesticide education and action (like the famous PANUPS "pesticide action network"). They researched specific pesticides and prepared reports distributed to like minded politicians to turn into binding regulations. There was the EWG, Environmental Working Group, another famous organization. The founder had a long time presence in the valuable mailing list SANET-MG run by the USDA SARE group. They have since stopped that forum and put the archives (valuable ones) out of public reach.

EWG is still in business these days I think but one of their best public outlets, SANET_MG, is gone forever. I did save tons of posts to that forum and converted them to webforums in my website (which I am scrambling to update) http://www.ibiblio.org/london.

I am not enthused with Greens and enviros going political and climate activist. I prefer they stick to what they were doing in their early years. Someone needs to be  minding the fort. Because it seems it was abandoned to the barbarians the box stores are filled with canyons of boxes and displays of herbicides and insecticides

and that is what they promote as does industry and their propaganda in all the media and all those ag related government departments and agencies (The Institution). Farming is GMP assisted by seed coatings with pesticides and herbicide application (including preemergent) so the gmo's can survive. No polyculture, no permavculture, no companion cropping, etc etc etc. Meanwhile our team gets famous with climate change activism events and involvement in politics. The ones who superglued themselves to the pavement instead of raising hell about indiscriminate use by residentail gardeners and landscapers of herbicide and other pesticides, contaminating their own yard's soil and grass. They need to back up ans clean up the environment where it really counts, places where people are active year after year, their properties and public green spaces. There was a time when a huge percentage of the public would have embraced the concept of bioregionalism and adopted practices and plans to network in order to increase the density of its use and enjoy the benefits. They would live under the umbrella of Gaia or Pachamama (Sukay Carnavalito https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1uB6qROFM - the breath of life - let the music keep your spirits high).

On 7/10/2024 10:54 PM, Lawrence London wrote:

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 7:58 PM Jim Powell (Madison Environmental Justice) <jimpowell@mejo.us> wrote:

Whatever happened to bioregionalism in the US? It was a major organizing principle for the Greens (anyway) into the 80s but appears to have disappeared completely from public discourse

Things like real estate development, land and housing prices, general inflation, Covid, pressure on government from big business, lack of media coverage.

There are other reasons such as anti environment activism and local special economic interests. The right wing types are guaranteed to oppose bioregionalism for their usual reasons for opposing anything.

JIM POWELL
Madison Environmental Justice
mejo.us ~ 608.240.1485

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On 7/10/2024 5:58 PM, Lawrence London wrote:

What is a bioregion?

https://www.ibiblio.org/london/links/start-392001/msg00549.html

What is a bioregion?

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