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[DONKA RADEVA <donnybg@yahoo.com>]

 Great idea about this perma-certification! 

The most perma-sites in Bulgaria are not certificated, I understood this 
during my research in the country. The most important, what they say is that 
"We are the face and the guarantee for our product, important is our personal 
contact with the clients, who we KNOW and build trust to each other. They can 
visit us and ask all questions or take part in the production process 
...conventional must register, because they produce with chemicals and damage 
the land ..." 

This is of course possible only for small-scale and local grown and sold 
production.This is also a form of protest against the big burden of the state 
administration and all the costs around it.


Best wishes,
Donka Radeva

    On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 1:43:37 PM GMT+2, Lawrence London 
<lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Rhonda Baird via permaculture <
permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

> Braden Trauth and some others set up and trademarked a certification based
> on permaculture called Permaganics Authenticated. Still in a roll-out
> phase, it is intended to help solve this problem.
>
> That is impressive. Please keep us informed about progress with adoption
of this certification. Do you have any links to websites for this?

> -Rhonda Baird
>
> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 9:31 PM Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org
> <mailto:scott@permaculture.org>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We have the same problem in the U.S., Donica, the board of directors of
> >> the certifying agency has drifted more and more toward the corporate
> >> farmers and the fees are becoming to high for most small farmers.
> >
> >
> > Would you believe, those in the money loop simply tell the smaller
> farmers
> > who can not afford certification to "we, you can always get a grant" or
> > "turn your farm into a non-profit".
> > It is way beyond ludicrous to think that dedicated, skilled, committed
> > lifetime natural farmers intent on feeding their fellow Americans the
> best
> > they can produce, might have to "get a grant" in order to make enough
> money
> > to support themselves and their families. I mean, really. Having to
> become
> > a non profit is off the charts of ridiculousness.
> >
> >
> >> The
> >> local farmer's market hosts farmers who advertise on their product
> >> tables that they are "better than organic".  I support their boycott of
> >> the certification process and costs.
> >>
> >> That is trending and growing enormously in numbers of farmers self
> > labeling in a way that conveys the fact that they farm using natural
> > methods and materials and consistent with their farm ecology.
> >
> > Do you remember Eric Kindberg? He fought tooth and nail for farmers to
> > retain ownership of organic certification and labelling. The dominant
> > powers won and the government now owns it.
> > I vote for non certified organic or certified naturally grown or just
> clean
> > raised.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 3/16/2019 5:43 PM, DONKA RADEVA via permaculture wrote:
> >>>  Ahh, this database is unfortunately not full at all, we have over 7000
> >> certified organic operators!
> >>> Though, in the last years many went bankrupt, as the local politics for
> >> certified organic is very unfavorable and this year there were protests
> >> against this discrimination policy comparing to conventional ...
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>> Donka Radeva
> >>>
> >>>    On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 8:17:54 PM GMT+2, Lawrence London <
> >> lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Attn: Donka Radeva
> >>>
> >>> USDA Organic Integrity Database
> >>> https://organic.ams.usda.gov/Integrity/
> >>>
> >>> look at the entries in this certified organic organization database on
> >> the
> >>> first page
> >>> search for Bulgaria:
> https://organic.ams.usda.gov/Integrity/Search.aspx
> >>> just enter one word in the search form, Bulgaria
> >>> there are 73 certified organic operations in Bulgaria!
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On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 5:23 PM DONKA RADEVA via permaculture <
permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:

>  Great idea about this perma-certification!
>
> The most perma-sites in Bulgaria are not certificated, I understood this
> during my research in the country.

[][][][]

> The most important, what they say is that "We are the face and the
> guarantee for our product, important is our personal contact with the
> clients, who we KNOW and build trust to each other. They can visit us and
> ask all questions or take part in the production process

[][][][]
That is the distilled essence of farmer-owned, farmer-run, farmer-for local
market farming built on a customer-farmer relationship of trust, the same
as it has been for hundreds of years in nearly every country. He stated it
really well.


> ...conventional must register, because they produce with chemicals and
> damage the land ..."
>

Of course.. That is the way it should be. In Latvia conventional operations
using chemicals and pesticides are not allowed in the marketplace.

>
> This is of course possible only for small-scale and local grown and sold
> production.This is also a form of protest against the big burden of the
> state administration and all the costs around it.
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Donka Radeva
>
>     On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 1:43:37 PM GMT+2, Lawrence London <
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Rhonda Baird via permaculture <
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
> > Braden Trauth and some others set up and trademarked a certification
> based
> > on permaculture called Permaganics Authenticated. Still in a roll-out
> > phase, it is intended to help solve this problem.
> >
> > That is impressive. Please keep us informed about progress with adoption
> of this certification. Do you have any links to websites for this?
>
> > -Rhonda Baird
>
>

--
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfljvenaura@gmail.com
https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared