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[John Wages <jwages@earthlink.net>]

Has anyone built a walipini in hot areas to grow cool-season vegetables like 
lettuce in the summer?

John

John Wages
Publisher, Permaculture Design magazine


-----Original Message-----
>From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 5, 2018 10:37 AM
>To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [permaculture] Walipini and earth cellar
>
>If you are in Germany or Austria take a look at the root sellars high
>country dwellers use to store their produce during winter.
>Those who are too isolated to be able to bring in produce from towns nearby
>regularly will rely on root cellars that work reliably.
>Adding growhole/greenhouse production t one is a different matter. I would
>think you could to one or the other but not both.
>My Grandparents in Pittsboro NC USA had a bug below-ground cold frame with
>windows. They successfully stored two Ponderosa lemon trees (bushes)
>in big metal tubs in them each winter and brought them out in the spring.
>They bore grapefruit-sized flavorful lemons. They stored potatoes in their
>below ground, dirt floor and walls, basement. It was definitey not humid in
>that environment.
>
>On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:58 AM Christian Skiba <c.skiba@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Lawrence and Jeremy,
>>
>> yes, the root cellar is used for food storage only in winter.
>> Potatoes, apples, cabbage and celery for example need a humidity of
>> about 90 % at a temperature of 35-32°F.
>> So dry air is not really needed.
>> It will be build in the highlands, 750 m above sealevel, USDA plant
>> hardiness zone 6a.
>> My priority is to raise up the temperature in the greenhouse in winter.
>>
>> I give it a try and will inform you about the results.
>>
>>
>> Am 04.12.2018 um 17:48 schrieb jeremy baker via permaculture:
>> > This is Jeremy in Skagit Valley, WA. Living intimately with the
>> climactic variations of the year appeals to me. The concept of “season
>> extenders” is fun to play around with. Diving into the ground like a
>> tortoise or badger makes a lot of sense. I would hope a root cellar would
>> be about empty by the time it starts to warm up. Then the space might be
>> used for other things temporarily.
>> >   Perhaps dig a test hole and experiment with it. A friend showed me a
>> deep hole covered with tempered glass.  Inside he had several overwintering
>> house plants. I have several cans and buckets of paint that say “do not
>> freeze” on them. I’m thinking of digging a hole for them while I go to Baja
>> lol.   Jeremy
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, December 3, 2018, 12:54 AM, Christian Skiba <c.skiba@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm planning to build an underground greenhouse with an earth cellar.
>> >
>> > As benefits I see
>> > - more (earth-) heat radiating wall surface in winter
>> > - one instead of two construction sites (one big hole instead of two
>> > small ones)
>> > - possibly the use of CO2 from the storage crops for the greenhouse
>> > plants (during the day)
>> >
>> > I think in the summertime there must be a closed door between them to
>> > prevent the cellar to be heated by the greenhouse.
>> >
>> > Would you say that there are other advantages when combining this two
>> > elements?
>> >
>> > Are there any disadvantages?
>> >
>> > Greetings from Germany
>> > Christian
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