permaculture

["Bryce Ruddock" <bruddockjr@wi.rr.com>]

If you send me the most recent version of Dan's list in  the Excel format or 
Google Doc, then I will work with that and can get it back to you tomorrow 
PM along with some additional written material regarding planting. 
pollination, and propagation.  Bryce
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>   1. Re: Fw: Snow that Won't Melt?!? (John D'hondt)
>   2. Forest gardens (was: Re: Market Gardening is NOT
>      Permaculture) (georg parlow)
>   3. Re: Home-hacking review: Charlie's Laundry Soap - Boing Boing
>      (T A Redding)
>   4. Re: Forest gardens (was: Re: Market Gardening is NOT
>      Permaculture) (Steve Hart)
>   5. Study Permaculture and Agroforestry in Belize in March
>      (Jono Neiger)
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> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 18:26:46 -0000
> From: "John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fw: Snow that Won't Melt?!?
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Thank you all who replied for looking into this. I found it so weird that 
> I
> passed it on in the hope that someone would be able to investigate 
> further.
> As a possible explanation in the first video chemtrails were mentioned but 
> I
> thought it unlikely that they would remain in the atmosphere for so long 
> or
> that any fool would be spraying in extreme cold weather.
>
> I think the debunking article is probably closest to the truth. It is very
> light snow that forms when medium or low humidity in the air meets extreme
> low temperatures. I am not used to that here. We have nearly almost close 
> to
> 100% relative air humidity and thus heavy snow.
> And that is the thing to watch out for. Snow should be collected by weight
> and not by volume. That way a kilo of snow should give you a liter of 
> water
> when melted. If it resulted in much more or much less water then something
> fishy would be going on.
>
> John
>
> > A quick search gives some alternate (more believable) explanations:
> >
> > https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fake-snow-burning-snow.3026/
> > (excerpt)
> > What's happening here is:
> >
> > A) The snow *is* melting, but the very loose fluffy structure of the
> > snow *wicks
> > away* the water, turning dry snow into wet snow, and eventually turning
> > the
> > snow into *slush*.
> >
> > B) The snow is blackened when a lighter is held underneath it because of
> > the *soot from the lighter *(the products of incomplete combustion). It's
> > *not burning. *
> > C) The smell is *fumes from the lighter* (also from incomplete 
> > combustion)
> > and/or people briefly *burning nearby objects like gloves*.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Carolyn Anderson
> > <cschampagne@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I live in North Carolina and have been sending out pictures of our 
> > > first,
> > > most beautiful snow.  I was surprised when I went to work that the road
> > > was
> > > still completely white, but thought it was because it was not heavily
> > > traveled.  It's been cold, so I didn't expect it to melt very fast, but
> > > today it warmed up and the snow is nearly gone.  So, it is melting in
> > > nature.
> > >
> > > Having seen this video, I just went outside and gathered up a little bit
> > > of
> > > what was left and brought it in to do this experiment.  I did get water,
> > > but very little.  And I noticed it didn't respond to the flame of a 
> > > match
> > > the way I expected it to.  Some crystals just stayed put.
> > >
> > > I don't want to be an alarmist, or chicken little, but I do want to know
> > > how someone, or some group, could make snow out of ? that looks so
> > > authentic.  I wouldn't eat this snow, that's for sure.
> > >
> > > Yes, full disclosure would be a good thing.
> > >
> > > Carolyn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:06 PM, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Strange.
> > > > John
> > > >
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> > > > Subject: Snow that Won't Melt?!?
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> > > >                         Dear John,
> > > >
> > > >                         As we all know by now, the Deep
> > > >                         South of the US was blanketed in
> > > >                         a highly unusual event, which led
> > > >                         to traffic jams, lasting for over 36
> > > >                         hours, in some areas.
> > > >
> > > >                         There are many other videos on
> > > >                         YouTube, showing the snowfall which
> > > >                         blanketed the Southern States of the
> > > >                         US, causing epic traffic jams and now-
> > > >                         famously been paraded around the
> > > >                         national news as a complete failure
> > > >                         of the City of Atlanta, Georgia, among
> > > >                         others.
> > > >
> > > >                         I have seen several such videos but I
> > > >                         chose this one, as the most succinct
> > > >                         and scientifically-produced.
> > > >
> > > >                         On closer examination, this "snow"
> > > >                         does not appear melt (why may have
> > > >                         largely contributed to these epic traffic
> > > >                         jams) and when held up against a
> > > >                         flame, this snow burns like styrofoam
> > > >                         and it turns black. I have now seen many
> > > >                         YouTube users attempting to debunk this
> > > >                         effect, only to achieve the exact same
> > > >                         results.
> > > >
> > > >                         Something is definitely awry, here. We
> > > >                         need an immediate analysis of the
> > > >                         substances that comprise this "phony snow"
> > > >                         and if this isn't the most gigantic chemtrail
> > > >                         dump in history, the I don't now what is!
> > > >
> > > >                         My heart goes out to all of you in the
> > > >                         affected area and I hope we get to the
> > > >                         bottom of this mystery as soon as possible.
> > > >
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> > > >                         Snow that Won't Melt?!?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 21:06:38 +0100
> From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
> Subject: [permaculture] Forest gardens (was: Re: Market Gardening is
> NOT Permaculture)
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> According to literature the main species for forest gardens that have
> supported whole villages for centuries -both in Sardinia and in
> Switzerland- is the chestnut. 7 trees support a family they said (or
> was it 7 trees per person? would have to read up on this old research
> paper...), having had different varieties for different puropses, some
> for fresh eating, some for storage in wet sand in the shade under a
> roof, some for drying (and grinding them later to cook a kind of
> porridge), some for sweet preserves, some to feed the goats with both
> leaves and fruit, and propably some for timber production (and fruits
> for goats and swine, I guess). I am afraid we have lost the varieties
> a while ago...
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
>
> Georg Parlow
> ************
> g.parlow@gmx.at
> 1230 Wien, A-Baumgartnerstr. 4/B1/013
> +43-650-8899345
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 14:17:55 -0600
> From: T A Redding <trrredding@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Home-hacking review: Charlie's Laundry
> Soap - Boing Boing
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> what are you expecting us to learn from this ad, i dont get it. what do 
> you
> mean home hacking? trudie
> On Jan 31, 2014 8:08 PM, "Lawrence London" <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Home-hacking review: Charlie's Laundry Soap - Boing Boing
> > http://boingboing.net/2014/01/31/home-hacking-review-charlie.html
> > 15 cents a load
> > Charlie's Soap Powder
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AM16MZO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00AM16MZO&linkCode=as2&tag=boingboing06-20
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:54:34 -0400
> From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Forest gardens (was: Re: Market Gardening
> is NOT Permaculture)
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> George...there is a young quite brilliant Permaculturist in Eastern France
> just a little way SW of Lyon who we have visited on a number of occasions
> he has 20 varieties of Chestnut and am sure a good resource for more
> knowledge...I'll dig up his contact.
>
> The French network may also have good contact....where are you located ?
> Switzerland ?....Steve Hart
>
>
> On 1 February 2014 16:06, georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> > According to literature the main species for forest gardens that have
> > supported whole villages for centuries -both in Sardinia and in
> > Switzerland- is the chestnut. 7 trees support a family they said (or
> > was it 7 trees per person? would have to read up on this old research
> > paper...), having had different varieties for different puropses, some
> > for fresh eating, some for storage in wet sand in the shade under a
> > roof, some for drying (and grinding them later to cook a kind of
> > porridge), some for sweet preserves, some to feed the goats with both
> > leaves and fruit, and propably some for timber production (and fruits
> > for goats and swine, I guess). I am afraid we have lost the varieties
> > a while ago...
> >
> >
> > Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
> >
> > Georg Parlow
> > ************
> > g.parlow@gmx.at
> > 1230 Wien, A-Baumgartnerstr. 4/B1/013
> > +43-650-8899345
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:25:26 -0500
> From: Jono Neiger <jono@regenerativedesigngroup.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Study Permaculture and Agroforestry in Belize
> in March
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>,
> "westernmapermacultureguild@lists.thepine.org"
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> Join us for a Permaculture and Agroforestry adventure in the jungle of
> Belize this March. Maya Mountain Research Farm is an established
> permaculture and agroforestry site. We'll use it as a template to delve
> deeper into permaculture design and planning and food forests and
> agroforestry.
>
> See our blog post about the course
> here<http://www.regenerativedesigngroup.com/blog/?p=163>
>
> See the Maya Mountain Research Farm website
> here<http://www.mmrfbz.org/Welcome_to_Maya_Mountain_Research_Farm.html>
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> See the attached flier.
>
> Contact me with any questions about the course.
>
> ******************
> Jono Neiger
> Regenerative Design Group
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> * Advanced Permaculture and Agroforestry, Maya Mountain Research Farm,
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> *
> Local Food Enterprise Summit/Financial Permaculture
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