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["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Many of these pesticides such as picloram remain active in compost for many 
years Doug. No matter at what temperature the composting is done.
Most of these pesticides enter a place by buying in hay, silage or straw. 
You feed it to your animals and you compost the manure resulting for a year 
or longer and if you are unlucky enough your garden will not grow many 
vegetables for up to ten years after applying the compost.
The same can happen when you buy professionally made compost.
So I usually do a test by mixing said hay or straw or free manure with my 
own seed compost. Water well and put in tomato seeds with known germination 
rate. Incubate at fairly high temperature and watch the seedlings for a week 
or longer. Unfortunately that is not always possible. Many times you have to 
decide on a purchase at the speed of sound.
John

> It might be handy for the manufacturers of herbicides which are
> transmitted in manure; a pre-emptive strike.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:35:26 -0500, Lawrence London
> <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How it may affect many in this forum:
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > FDA's own estimates show that the typical produce farm with less than
> > $250,000 in sales will spend 6% of sales to comply with these
> > proposed
> > regulations.  FDA also acknowledges that the rules will significantly
> > reduce the number of new farms in the US, and discourage new food
> > businesses from opening.  Unfortunately, the rules are unlikely to
> > result in comparable reductions in foodborne illness.**A US
> > Department
> > of Agriculture analysis concluded there was no evidence that
> > FSMA-like
> > food safety procedures actually prevent disease.  It is no wonder
> > that
> > all the state departments of agriculture in the US have unanimously
> > called for FDA to dump the proposed rules and go back to the drawing
> > board.
> >
> > In short, FSMA will dramatically change the way you use manure and
> > compost <http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/fsma-issues/#manure>,
> > irrigate your crops
> > <http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/fsma-issues/#water> and conserve
> > wildlife habitat
> > <http://www.carolinafarmstewards.org/fsma-issues/#conservation>.
> > It’s
> > important that the FDA hear from farmers and others about the impacts
> > of
> > this legislation.
>
> <snip>
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