permaculture

[christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>]

The who is registration is below.
canonical name  permaculture.info.
aliases 
addresses       152.19.134.41
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Domain Name:PERMACULTURE.INFO
Created On:14-Sep-2001 00:57:31 UTC
Last Updated On:02-Sep-2010 20:45:45 UTC
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On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

> On 4/16/2012 3:46 AM, Chris Watkins wrote:
>> Btw, does anyone have any news on permaculture.info? Is it possible to
>> recover the information that was on there?
> 
> http://www.permaculture.info renders:
> 
> <>
> PIW has a problem
> 
> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
> 
> Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
> 
> (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 
> 'pcplantdb'@'vhost3.int.ibiblio.org' (using password: YES) 
> (mysql.ibiblio.org))
> <>
> 
> You mean, is it possible to obtain a typical database dump from the 
> permaculture.info MediaWiki?
> 
> PIW was Permaculture Information Web or permaculture.info or 
> Permaculture Wiki.
> 
> It's a long story. You should already know most of it.
> 
> It would appear to me that the public is owed this wiki as $15,000 was 
> paid to Scott's Permaculture Institute by a foundation in California to 
> create and put online a permaculture plant and animals database, which 
> turned out to be a wiki thanks to $500 paid to Richard Morris to install 
> MediaWiki on ibiblio for that purpose. Stepanie Gerson wrote the grant 
> proposal and the money was recieved by P.I. to pay for programming and 
> any other expenses. Most of the money and much valuable time was wasted 
> coddling one of the project group members who wanted the database to be 
> done in some oddball language which could not be hosted by ibiblio. That 
> little diversion failed so Richard then created and administered a wiki 
> at ibiblio for use of project members. A lot of nice information and 
> graphics was created and that is what you have seen online for years 
> until the present.  I'll bet that due to lack of use and administration 
> it got hacked and filled with spam so ibiblio took it offline; see error 
> message above. Originally it was hosted under the ibiblio domain.
> 
> When I think of the time and effort I spent 1) making it possible for 
> P.I.-Scott to own permaculture.org and 2) much of the same for 
> permaculture.info, purchased during the course of the database project,
> for the project, and by the main programmer, who had the domain 
> registered by some oddball company in France and was hosting it himself 
> on one of his own servers. That of course went downhill fast. It was a 
> MySQL/PHP database using the Plants For A Future dataset. After years of 
> communication Scott was able to get the domain away from the French 
> company. I offered to move that registration to Register.Com and have 
> domain hosting done by ibiblio/UNC so we could continue developing the 
> wiki. I spent many hours online and on the phone with register.com 
> moving registration to them and with ibiblio/UNC setting up hosting. It 
> finally was ready for us to resume work. Richard was still helping with 
> administrative duties but noone was doing any work on the wiki so it 
> fell into disuse and was finally taken offline. I have no idea whether 
> P.I./Scott knows about the state of this project and its online presence 
> or has any plans for it, fix it, move it, abandon it. Seems a very big 
> waste for it not to continue when you consider all the money, time, 
> effort, skill and hope that was put into it.
> 
> You could 1) contact Scott/P.I./Scott's wife who does all the web 
> development for their organization 2) ibiblio, to a) with Scott's 
> permission, get a database dump to add to Appropedia b) take over 
> administration of it with P.I./Scott's permission and resume development 
> at ibiblio with them as host. 3) move domain hosting to Appropedia's 
> domain host and seamlessly integrate it with Appropedia or put it back 
> online as a separate Wiki alongside Appropedia.
> 
> I prefer that it go back online with ibiblio as host and one or more 
> volunteer adminstrators. It has free hosting at ibiblio and can securely 
> reside there indefinitely. If registration of the domain has lapsed, 
> which I doubt, that is another matter.
> 
> At this point there seems to be very little  happening with a serious 
> online permaculture database or wiki so if you can resurrect 
> permaculture.info or add its dataset to Appropedia that would be a good 
> thing, certainly better than the present situation with what was once a 
> substantial project. If you want me to help in the same capacity as 
> before, communicating with ibiblio and register.com, I will do so.
> 
> Lawrence London
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 01:06, Chris Watkins
>> <chriswaterguy@appropedia.org>wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks - have you seen the *Open Source 
>>> Permaculture<http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture>
>>>  *project? They're fundraising, and are just over a day from the finish
>>> date.
>>> 
>>> I believe this will be a real boost for permaculture. For one thing,
>>> they're being really collaborative - e.g. for the permaculture wiki,
>>> they'll be using Appropedia. And for the ebook, when we put an argument 
>>> for
>>> using an open license (Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike), they
>>> agreed and acted on it. And Sophia Novack seems to have a history of
>>> getting things done.
>>> 
>>> So, I'd encourage you to keep an eye on this project. And if you're in a
>>> position to contribute, please do. If you want to read more:
>>> 
>>>    - Open Source Permaculture: Interview with Sophia 
>>> Novak<http://lynnfang.com/2012/03/open-source-permaculture-interview-with-sophia-novak/>
>>>    , *Upcycled Love*.
>>>    - Crowdfunding Open Source 
>>> Permaculture<http://www.shareable.net/blog/crowd-funding-open-source-permaculture>
>>>    , *Shareable*.
>>>    - Open Source 
>>> Permaculture<http://www.permies.com/t/13927/permaculture/Open-Source-Permaculture>
>>>    , discussion on *Permies.com*. ("Open source" "open content" and "open
>>>    licenses" explained)
>>> 
>>> (Btw, I see that Permaculture.info was up briefly but went down again -
>>> this is really unfortunate, and it highlights the need for a central,
>>> well-maintained resource, with public backups, that we can build 
>>> together.)
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Chris Watkins
>>> 
>>> Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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