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[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

While I thoroughly enjoyed Kevin's link 
(http://www.inthewake.org/keith1.html), here is another article on the 
increasing value of information and design (from a solid liberal):
 
http://www.alternet.org/story/148215/we_just_went_through_200_years_of_radical_economic_upheaval_--_the_next_economic_era_offers_us_a_chance_to_control_it?page=entire
 
Rain



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Kevin, 

What do you think about this quote from your link?

"When the Taliban took over in Afghanistan, women who refused to wear 
burkhas, refused to stay entombed inside their houses, were lined up by the 
hundreds and shot. In Algeria, the Islamic fundamentalists have murdered 
80,000 women who have resisted their demands, and the fundamentalists don't 
even control the government. I've heard from someone who's traveled 
extensively in Iraq that the same thing is happening to women there: men are 
picking women off one by one, any woman who looks like she's educated or has 
a job or is independent is a target for rape and murder."

Do you think that situation should be handled with radical action, or liberal 
action?  Do you think the Taliban's treatment of women is more enlightened 
than the US Army's? Or less, or equal to? Do you think permaculturists should 
teach Taliban men permaculture, who might use it to further consolidate their 
power to oppress women? Give me a choice, as a woman, I'll take my chances 
with the US Army over the Taliban. I would prefer neither, however.

My mother was a 60's feminist and I was steeped in thinking like Lierre's 
before I hit puberty.  I've been working in the fields of sexual 
slavery/human trafficking of women and young girls for years. It's pretty 
damn ugly and horrifying. One reason I like permaculture is because it gives 
some solutions to that horrific world wide situation. I'm not a radical 
feminist myself - I have found that men who abuse women often do so because 
they have been abused, that the cultural paradigms themselves are so abusive 
to both men and women that neither can heal. I've found that perpetuating a 
culture, regardless of justification, of violence, punishment and abuse only 
begets more of it - it heals nothing ultimately. I've found that love, 
compassion and understanding can be more powerful weapons than bullets or 
bombs. That is just my personal viewpoint and experience and I'm still 
working on manifesting love over bullets. 

By the way, one segment of the version of the PDC I teach includes lessons 
from "Gene Sharp's work, especially The Politics of Nonviolent Action," - 
civil disobedience, permaculture style as in City Repair, guerilla gardening, 
etc, etc, etc. I was there at S Central Farm.  So I may not so easily fit 
into your catagory of "liberal" (I would catagorize things differently than 
Lierre tho I can see why she splits things in that way). Thinks are rarely 
black and white.... 

Rain, the concept of consciously designing systems, our lives, our cultures, 
as individuals, and as groups, on all levels, and the journey of becoming 
more and more conscious as a part of the process of attempting such a thing 
is one of the most consumingly exciting aspects of permaculture for me. 
Thanks for posting the article.

Love, Cory





--- On Sat, 9/18/10, Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] valuing information
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:14 PM
> While I thoroughly enjoyed Kevin's
> link (http://www.inthewake.org/keith1.html),
> here is another article on the increasing value of
> information and design (from a solid liberal):
>  
> http://www.alternet.org/story/148215/we_just_went_through_200_years_of_radical_economic_upheaval_--_the_next_economic_era_offers_us_a_chance_to_control_it?page=entire
>  
> Rain
> 
> 
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