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I think we would do better to make the manual, which is also significantly 
out of date albeit important, more available by translating it into Spanish 
and other languages. A vast proportion wouldn't eveb be able read an illegal 
version on the myriad of internets.   
-----Original Message-----
From: <ktho@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:10:23 
To: 'permaculture'<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>; 'Nicholas 
Roberts'<niccolo.roberts@gmail.com>
Cc: <mollison.lisa@tagari.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Copyright Infringement on PERMACULTURE:
        A       Designers Manual

Um - no, Evan. 

Violating copyright interferes with Mollison's livelihood and just taking
something you want, just because you want it smacks of entitlement issues.
Stop being such an entitled Commie and respect other people's work. You
don't get to decide for others what they ought to do just because you think
they ought to do it. It's none of your business what Tagari and/or the
Mollisons' are doing with their money. MYOB, and stop being such a special
little snowflake. I doesn't matter that others have also stolen from Tagari.
Their ass-hattery does not give you license to do the same.

If I'd been Tagari, I'd have taken you for every penny and then some. You
got off lightly. And stop threatening them with a Twitter campaign. That
might be construed as admission of guilt for copyright violation, not to
mention menacing and stalking.

Kathleen

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From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Evan Schoepke
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:33 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org; Nicholas Roberts
Subject: [permaculture] Fwd: Copyright Infringement on PERMACULTURE: A
Designers Manual

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Campus?<http://punkrockpermaculture.com/2009/11/10/permieliberation/>
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Hello lovely Permies,

Due to my posting of the entire Permaculture Designers
Manual,<http://astore.amazon.com/punkrockperme-20> commonly know
as the permaculture bible, I received a swift take down notice from Tagari
Publications <http://www.tagari.com/>
andScribd<http://www.scribd.com/Gaia%20Punk> which
I respectfully followed.  It is my opinion that this book is so
*important* that
it should be made  completely free on all the myriad internets because we're
living in a time of extreme ecological and social crisis and the tools
needed to fix the crises must be made available to everyone not just those
with the economic  privilege to afford them.  Please see the letters below
and also* please comment* if you think the designers manual should be
liberated onto the internet.  I feel this debate gets at the very heart of
the permaculture ethic of "fair share" and  I will post any further
correspondence with Tagari here and elsewhere.

I'm starting a *campaign on **twitter* <http://twitter.com/gaiapunk>
advocating
for the *free release* of the permaculture designers manual. *@gaiapunk
#permieliberation*

*ATTENTION: Evan Schoepke*

Pursuant to 17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement
that:

I am the exclusive rights holder (being the Publisher) for the book titled:
*Permaculture: A Designers' Manual* written by Bill Mollison.
ISBN 0 908228 01 5 and first published in Australia in 1988 and reprinted in
2004, 2009 by Tagari Publications, Australia.

These exclusive rights are being violated by material that has been
available upon your site at the following URL(s):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22260478/Permaculture-D-Manual and
http://punkrockpermaculture.com/.
I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such a fashion
is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's agent, or
the law;

Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I state that the
information contained in this notification is accurate, and that I am
authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the
material in question.

I may be contacted by the following methods:
*Phone:* (Aus) 61 + 3 6445 0945
*Fax:* 61 + 3 6445 0944
*Address:* 31 Rulla Road, Sisters Creek, Tasmania, 7325, Australia
*Email:* mollison.lisa@tagari.com

I hereby request that you remove or disable access to this material now and
in the future as it appears on your service in as expedient a fashion as
possible. Thank you.

Regards,
Lisa Mollison
Director

My reply:

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Okay Tagari,
the book is gone,
I have lost the battle,

however I do know of other places you could find it online for free.  As a
practicing certified urban permaculturalist I believe this event brings up a
interesting philosophical debate.  This book *is* the permaculture bible and
I know that Tagari publishers is sole legal guardian of it's legacy.  In
fact I love Tagari, and everything it stands for, what it's doing with the
money it earns, all of it. But, I still think the book should be released
onto the internets for free!  Why? Well, because if there is anything Bill
has shown me it is that we definately don't have the gaurentee of
permanence to solve the ecological and social crisis that we are facing.  I
feel that perhaps I come from a new and starkly different generation that
believes in a type of movement building that allows for the funding of
projects by lots of people paying a small amount instead of a
few privileged folks paying a lot of money.  I would really love to read
Bill's book on fermentation, supposedly his best work, but it's also very
expensive.  I'm not saying Tagari should let go of all it's copyrights but I
am asking if the time has come for the designers manual to be liberated,
what do you think?  Someday I'm sure the designers manual will be available
free in the public commons and that could make a very large impact, lets
hope that day does not come too late.  Will the field continue to lie open
to every intellect (*ingenio patet campus*) regardless of income?  I'm
interested in your response and wish the very best with all the amazing and
inspiring work your doing now and in the future.

With the greatest respect for Bill, Lisa, Tagari, and the entire global
permaculture network,

Have a fair share day!,

Evan C. Schoepke

Gaia Punk Designs

713 Division ST
Olympia WA, USA
98502
thejulianeffect(at)gmail.com
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