permaculture

[negiliblek <negiliblek@yahoo.com>]

rafter,

Thanks for the link, glad my was of use -let me know when you try some honey 
locust beans!


>Perhaps even more so your reports of a coffee-like drink, complete 
>with stimulant effects - we badly need to develop temperate caffeine 
>sources!

It was definitely a stimulant, but I really don't know if it was caffeine. 
Maybe someone with ties to a University could have the drink tested to 
determine it's content.

negiliblek



Lawrence F. London, Jr.,  I sent you another email with the first one you 
never received attached. This time I sent the email to both your bell south 
and your intrex email. 

I didn't receive a bounce back on the first email I sent you and I didn't 
send a bounce back on either the bell south nor the intrex.  Do you have a 
spam gaurd or maybe blacklisted my email address some how? 

If not, it's kinda unnerving -this has happened in the past on rare 
occasions; an email just disappears: no spam guard, no blacklist, and no 
bounce back.

call me at 505 409 5269... I'm on Mountain Time (daylight savings)

negiliblek





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Hi!  
I am trying to get some permaculture networking going in Alaska and was 
wondering if anyone has any connections up here?  Also, any suggestions for 
contacts in other extremely northern latitudes that we might learn some great 
stuff from?

Thanks!

Saskia 


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Greetings all,
I'm a permaculture designer, organizer, and educator from Vermont visiting
family and taking care of a little work in San Diego...
Anyone care to recommend places or people I should try to see or meet while
here?I'd love to see what's happening and learn from the network...
Thanks!Keithwww.northeasternpermaculture.wikispaces.comwww.sterlingcollege.edu/AD.summerfarm.html
 

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Hello Im,Ed There are quite a few in matsu valley.,Delta  and even farmer Tim 
Meyers in Bethel nice farm,brilliant use of resources in harsh conditions.Not 
many folks are aware of this permie site up here.I myself live in Ruby and do 
a garden chickens,Fish, hunt, recycle live simple try to keep up with the 
permies in a difficult place with opportunies.Goodluck,Ed

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Hi!  
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contacts in other extremely northern latitudes that we might learn some great
stuff from?

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Saskia 


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here?I'd love to see what's happening and learn from the network...
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Rain, 

>How did people thrive in the Mediterranean for so long with this kind of 
>potential for fire?

Wildfires have always been a feature of life in the Mediterranean, but as 
long as the land was cultivated and looked after by numerous small farmers, 
these fires usually didn’t get out of control.  In my region the problem 
has gotten worse in recent decades because many farms are being abandoned 
since young people prefer the greater comfort of life in the city.  Without 
the caring hand of the farmer the country turns into a thick impenetrable 
mass of vegetation measuring 5 to 10 meters in height from the undergrowth to 
the top of the trees.  Sounds romantic, but with tons of dry and dead 
undergrowth this can turn into an inferno during a wildfire.  
 
>Similarly, how did people populate the Mediterranean 
>basin so densely with such limited water sources?  

People just knew how to get by with the resources there were.  In my region, 
most food staples like wheat and vegetables like cabbages and root vegetables 
can be grown during the winter when we normally have enough humidity.  Goats 
can live on shrubs and there are beans, millet and other crops that can be 
grown when it is dry.  Again, the water penury has gotten worse in recent 
years because people with more disposable income move into the area.  They 
have the money to bore deep holes for pumping up the ground water to irrigate 
their lawns.  As a result, the ground water level falls and many of the 
traditional wells of poor farmers who cannot afford modern equipment will run 
dry.  Olives are another traditional crop.  Citrus trees and fig trees only 
grow in places with good soil and sufficient humidity.

>Are there examples of sustainable farming/gardening from traditional 
>Mediterranean culture?

I haven’t really researched the question, but I think cork oaks are a 
pretty good example.  The cork can be cut once every 9 years to provide some 
income for the farmer.  The acorns can be fed to pigs or even used for human 
consumption.  The scraggy crowns of the cork oaks filter the strong sunlight 
but let through enough light for grass to grow under the trees, which allows 
for grazing by goats, sheep and pigs.  Meat from the free-ranging Alentejo 
“black pig” is a delicacy that can be sold at a premium.  Goat cheese is 
also very good.  Goat manure is very beneficial for the land.  The oaks have 
very strong and deep roots that crack open the rock bed and pull up water and 
nutrients from deeper levels.

There is also something called the “dehesa system” of the Extremadura 
region in the South of Spain.  I’m not really familiar with this, but I 
think they also use trees a bit in the way I described the use of cork oaks 
to rehabilitate a barren landscape.

Dieter Brand
Portugal

PS: Antonio, old folks around here tell me that there used to be a lot of 
chestnut trees in this region.  Unfortunately, there is a virus that killed 
them all.  I have made several attempts at planting chestnut trees, so far 
without much success.