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  • From: Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture Web Developers Guild?
  • Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:22:59 -0500



Sean Maley wrote:

I like the idea of a guild for PC Web design.

Haven't had the time to Paypal drill a hole in my head
yet. I prefer to set up software on my own host. If
the paypal solution is web link based, you could
probably hijack it via PHP or Perl.
Which languages I do not speak.

Add separate line
items for delivery based upon location. I'll take a
look when I get a chance. I want to set up Paypal
myself.

Who hosts your site?
An host in Michigan called adaptive.net which, for a merchant shopping cart that doesn't accept Paypal, charges a $49 setup fee, a 2.39% processing fee, a $0.59 transaction fee, and $45 a month in other fees.
WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS. The magazine barely pays for itself and Peter earns a third of his income selling books. Subscriptions are down but books sales are up.

I wonder if you could get costs
put together to propose a PC datacenter. You could
subsidize your connection costs by providing hosting
services. By providing your own merchant/hosting
solutions, you could slide the scale based upon usage
and revenue metrics.
I would love to have a webhosting/merchant service, but this can't be done at Earthaven yet for the primary reason that we don't have enough electricity to run the necessary system. Maybe in another 5 years when we have a few more microhydro plants in the place. Secondly, we don't have a budget for a server and all the other tech that goes with it, much less the knowhow to operate it. Thirdly, despite a fiber optics phone line one mile from us, we have only copper from there and 24Kb/s transmission. Some very real limiting factors.

I agree that it would be wonderful if somebody could provide hosting, but its not us.

That way, you get away from a
dial up service, provide low cost alternatives for PC
information projects like PIW & PFAF, plus a PC micro
economy emerges rather than constantly giving an
economic harvest away to the monoculture macro
economy.

Yes, yes! Where, where? Who, who?

Ideally, each bioregion would have their own hosting
site with a global system of redundancy via the PCWD
guild agreements.
I wonder if the PCU folks would invest in a proposal of this nature. What would it cost? Someone care to help me write a business plan?

My site is based upon creating
bioregional PC marketplaces, so would be one of the
many services provided globally.
What's your website? I did a quick search for your name and got 191 hits including a racer, an actor, a banker, etc.

--
Keith Johnson
Permaculture Activist Magazine
PO Box 1209
Black Mountain, NC 28711
(828)669-6336

also Patterns for Abundance Design & Consulting
Culture's Edge at Earthaven Ecovillage
http://www.permacultureactivist.net
http://www.earthaven.org
http://www.bioregionalcongress.org


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