permaculture

["Emily A. Noble" <guinep@theriver.com>]

You ceertainly make a point.....as long as people have more kids than there
are jobs for there will always be new ways devised to provide someone a
living so they can have 9 kids who also will need ways to make a living and
build a nice house for their 7 kids.
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>From: "sal" <sals@rain.org>
>To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: Re: What a rip off don't let this happen
>Date: Tue, Apr 25, 2000, 2:45 PM
>

>let me say something.  when I became certified I paid a certifier and that
>was ok then the inspection when up and the inspector was getting 25 to 35
an
>hour gas travel expenses motel room and I said ok then the state of Ca.
said
>if u want to be organic you must register and start paying us and now the
>fed gov says ok =u are not supporting enough bottom feeders you can also
pay
>us.  and every one of them charges what the market will bear.  it is nuts .
>I say my certifier was enough my customors trusted CCOF and getting in bed
>with the USDA and the State and putting even more people in made jobs in
>line for my money does little cost much.  . every year they line up and if
>you make one mad he can make your life hell and they do.  you think a stamp
>makes u organic think again.  the food stands on it own if it is organic it
>is I don't care how many bloodsuckers u pay off.  these folks  do not have
>to bring in a crop they do not have to hoe or mow or pay land payment or
>property tax they and because I am organic I get folks lining up every year
>year after year for what .  why so many I feel it is a way to steal my
money
>for protection.  that's is how the Mafia works. and other low life's.   now
>if your not going to trust my certifier or my inspector or a residue test
>then how many pencil pushing bottom feeders in made jobs to I have to pay
>off . I am forced to pay just because I am organic.  the organic Gestapo is
>getting nuts and I have been to meetings and what do these folks always say
>'let the farmer pay for it".  its nuts  I was inspected twice in one week
>once by the state and once by CCOF is that nuts or what.  like I pay for
>both of them so this guy is getting 35 dollars a hour from me and I get
>nothing but lose time and money and then three day later here it comes
>again.  the farmer should not have to pay off so many people just to show
he
>is organic and then on top of ;all this the head of the USDA says organic
is
>no better than  conventional no safer for man or the earth so how does he
>the head of the USDA and now the head of organicness justify this big rip
>off of the farmer for something he says is not safer.  .  this force
>certification to use the word organic has become a big hole for the small
>farmer to dump money into.  everyone's  want in our pocket .  I say you
will
>all be sorry when u see how nuts its getting.  the price keeps going up and
>up and there is no end in sight , you have less and less rights do more and
>more paper work and got more and more powertriping bosses just because u
>grow organic.  It should not cost me anymore than any other farmer just
>because I am organic. Not one cent.   I am getting tried of having to prove
>I am telling the truth every year like because i farm organic I must be
>lying.  after 15 years or --you get tired and can see the games coming and
>this is a USDA takeover of the word organic  and a tax on organic growers
>and the burden is a game.  how many pencil pushing folks in made jobs do we
>have to bow down to.   just say no to making the farmer pay again this
time.
>
>don't worry the organic farmer will pay for all this and force of law will
>see to it all the turnip bleeders will get full.  we were sold out and it
>may take a while or so to manifest this USDA takeover but in time u will
see
>organic will be a political football subject to back door money and under
>the table money and hard money and soft money .  sold out  they gave our
>word organic away .  we need our money .   How many How much and will it
>ever stop.  Just say NO don't take one cent from the organic grower  not
one
>cent.
>http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/
>
>check out an organic farmers homepage
>http://www.rain.org/~sals/.my.html
>sals@rain.,org
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judith Hanna" <jehanna@gn.apc.org>
>To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:23 AM
>Subject: Re: What a rip off don't let this happen
>
>
>> Dear Ava,
>>
>> Thanks for your clear explanation of the current 'organic' state of play
>in
>> US. Your final para is absolutely right -- changing the overall system
>> means working within it, including making available the resources for the
>> 'organic standards' body to sustain its work.
>>
>> Judith
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:34 24/04/00, you wrote:
>> >Sal:
>> >
>> >I have to state that I honestly believe we have gotten what we asked
for.
>> >But there is an Action Alert as the new proposed organic standards will
>not
>> >be final until after June 12
>
>
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