Market Farming

["sue roseman" <swissy AT socket.net>]

About the weather.  We have had freezes on and off all the last week.  Lost 
alot of things but still have alot too something to be thankful for.  By the 
way in 1857 in Ohio at least I think that was the yr. it froze all the corn 
in July.  I used to read old Quaker letters from that era and a man wrote to 
his children that in  South East Ohio it had frozen the corn.  So the 
records that exist sometimes are in journals and letters.  Good way for us 
to remember how important that garden journal really is.  Now if I could 
just remember it before I am 1000 ft. from the house and in the garden! 
Happy growing everyone!!!!!!!!  God is in control so if you don't like it 
maybe you should think about what he could be sending you!!!????  Blessings
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  1. Re: phosphate rock (robert schuler)
  2. "removing any doubt that human activities are warming the
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  3. weather (sora AT coldreams.com)
  4. RE: weather (mmaysen)
  5. RE: weather (Brigette Leach)
  6. Re: weather (Errol Castens)
  7. RE: weather (Jack Lane)
  8. Re: weather (Matt Cheselka)
  9. Re: phosphate rock (road's end farm)
 10. Re: weather (joe and trish)
 11. RE: weather (Marie Kamphefner)
 12. Re: More snow... (Lucy Goodman)
 13. Re: More snow... (Pat Meadows)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:04:09 -0400
From: robert schuler <sunnfarm AT bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] phosphate rock
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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A lesson I learned the hard way about phosphate rock. When I farmed on
the silt loam limestone soils of eastern PA soil tests always came back
at 30lbs/a P. When I added P rock, it became tied up in the clay and
rendered useless in just a month or so. Decayed covercrops chelates some
but never enough so I switched to banding triple super phosphate and it
remained soluble long enough to make a crop. Know your soil chemistry
before spending a ton of money on P rock. . Bob.
Sunny Meadow Farm
Bridgeton, NJ.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:16:36 -0500
From: Marty Kraft <martyk AT allspecies.org>
Subject: [Market-farming] "removing any doubt that human activities
are warming the planet"
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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More on climate change.

Marty Kraft
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Global warming "proof" detected
The Earth is absorbing more energy from the Sun than it is giving back into
space, according to a new study.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/4495463.stm >

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: sora AT coldreams.com
Subject: [Market-farming] weather
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Old New England saying   "If you don't like the weather,just wait a minute"
Sunny and lovely, in the 60's here, perfectly normal.  Would also be
normal to snow tomorrow...........


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:08:46 -0500
From: "mmaysen" <mmaysen AT alltel.net>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] weather
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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That saying is more common than you think...

When I first moved to Idaho, I heard "If you don't like the weather,
just wait a minute"
Then in Oregon, I heard "You know Oregon weather, If you don't like it,
just wait a minute"
And when first arriving in Missouri, I heard ...
you get the idea.

Mel

--Old New England saying   "If you don't like the weather,just
--wait a minute"




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:42:42 -0400
From: "Brigette Leach" <avalonfarmshomegrown AT earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] weather
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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And I always thought it was a Michigan thing!

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> [Original Message]
> From: mmaysen <mmaysen AT alltel.net>
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: 4/29/2005 7:09:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [Market-farming] weather
>
> That saying is more common than you think...
>
> When I first moved to Idaho, I heard "If you don't like the weather,
> just wait a minute"
> Then in Oregon, I heard "You know Oregon weather, If you don't like it,
> just wait a minute"
> And when first arriving in Missouri, I heard ...
> you get the idea.
>
> Mel
>
> --Old New England saying   "If you don't like the weather,just
> --wait a minute"
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:43:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Errol Castens <castens AT peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] weather
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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sora AT coldreams.com wrote:
Old New England saying   "If you don't like the weather,just wait a minute"
Sunny and lovely, in the 60's here, perfectly normal.  Would also be
normal to snow tomorrow...........



On the other hand, we're about to move into four or five months when the 
forecast rarely changes: "Mid- to upper 90s and humid, with 20-30 percent 
chance of afternoon and evening thundershowers."

Errol Castens
Oxford, Mississippi
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:30:22 -0400
From: "Jack Lane" <jacklane AT mstar2.net>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] weather
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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I was born in Arizona. Never heard that saying until I moved to Kentucky

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Old New England saying   "If you don't like the weather,just wait a
minute"
Sunny and lovely, in the 60's here, perfectly normal.  Would also be
normal to snow tomorrow...........
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Cheselka <mcheselka AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] weather
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Actually, I've got my own saying:

"If you don't like the weather, go live on the moon."

Not the nicest thing to say, but complaining about the weather (IMO) is 
equivalent to complaining about the earth spinning.

OTOH, if it IS the case that chemtrails, the burning of fossil fuels, etc., 
are changing our climate/weather in a way not in accordance with nature, 
then what we'll actually begin to experience is natures' way of bringing 
everything back into balance.  It'll then be up to us to either deal with it 
or figure out what we're doing wrong and stop it.

Cheers to all (and hang in there!),

Matt Cheselka
Cosmic Lettuce
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:26:22 -0400
From: road's end farm <organic101 AT linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] phosphate rock
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:50 AM, Lamplight Hill wrote:

> Where can we purchase phosphate rock within a few hours drive of
> mid-Missouri?


Try this: (I'm sure there are other companies who carry it, Fertrell's
just the name I know):

http://www.fertrell.com/fertrell_dealers.htm#Missouri

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:54:03 -0700
From: "joe and trish" <jeusel AT ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] weather
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But you forget,  the saying here in Arizona is " But it's a dry heat "
........   That pretty much describes the weather for 5 - 6 months of the
year.



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:08:17 -0500
From: "Marie Kamphefner" <kampy AT grm.net>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] weather
To: <avalonfarmshomegrown AT earthlink.net>, "'Market Farming'"
<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Ahhhh, Michigan. . .
When I was there in November, I could go up and down steps like a
teenager.  My fingers didn't hurt and my trick knee behaved.  I want to
move to Michigan.

Marie in Missouri






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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:03:42 -0400
From: Lucy Goodman <goodows AT infinet.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] More snow...
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4273660E.1040704 AT infinet.com>
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> Funny you should mention that! Our local weather man just did one of his
> mini-weather classes on that last night. Long contrails are cause by high
> humidity in the atmosphere. The longer and thicker they are, the higher 
> the
> humidity is at high altitudes.


I don't buy this. Two weeks ago we were
having spectacular weather-80ûF and very low
humidities (under 20%) and we had 3 days
where all the local weather prophets
predicted clear cloudless skies as there was
not enough humidity in the upper or lower
atmosheres forany cloud formation. By 2 pm on
2 of the 3 days we had complete cloud cover
by 2pm and the clouds were all from chem
trails (I watched the formations happen as I
worked in the gardens) I want to know how
contrails developed when there was not enough
humidity in the atmosphere.

And even if there is no such thing as chem
trails (and this is the military's story and
we all know they have never lied about
anything) there are contrsils that are
developing into clouds which means our albedo
is going up and that means less sunlight to
the earth's surface and heat being reflected
back to space.

So it is probably safe to say commercial and
military jets are profoundly changing our
weather because of all the artificial clouds
they make. it would just make matter worse if
some of these clouds happen to contain some
quite nasty manmade and distibuted chemicals
as well

Lucy



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:49:04 -0400
From: Pat Meadows <pat AT meadows.pair.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] More snow...
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:51:04 -0600, you wrote:

> As for the weather being weird right now, this is pretty normal. It has 
> been
> cyclic for thousands of years. There have been worse dry spells, cold wet
> springs, wet years, hot summers, deep snows, years without snow, etc. "We"
> people just recently started keeping records (geologically speaking) but 
> the
> trees have been tracking these cycles for years. You name it, and "this too
> shall pass."

Global warming - which is demonstrably true - is causing and
will increasingly cause more erratic weather:  more storms,
more frequent storms, and the weather will be more erratic
in general.

Scientists, oil-company executives, and everyone in general
still argues about the CAUSE of global warming, but I do not
think that there is the slightest disagreement about the
FACT of global warming.

So - maybe it's cyclical (I don't believe it, I believe it's
man-influenced at the least, but maybe...)

In the really long terms, hundreds of years from now or
thousands of years from now, maybe it will swing back again.
Most of us, though, are worried about a shorter term than
that:  the next 50 or 100 years at most.

Pat
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