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["Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>]

> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> > From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> > > But do you or do you not feel that the Office itself is due respect,
> > > regardless of the person holding the office?  I feel that is does.
> >
> > There are two different meaning of 'respect'; one is deference to someone
> > because they have certain rights or privileges, and the other is holding
> > someone in esteem because of personal qualities or abilities. You can 
> > show
> > respect for someone's position without respecting the person.
>
> On this list we often resort to name calling when we refer to our
> Presidents.  I don't consider that deference.  IMO, sometimes, as in the
> case with the POTUS, I believe deference should override.

I agree completely. I often stop reading a post once the name-calling 
starts. I don't like name-calling and insults in general, aimed at anyone. 
It's rude and reflects more on the person doing the insulting that the one 
insulted.

> I agree, and to my recollection, you personally have not been too
> offensive, if at all-I can't think of a time when you namecalled or
> labeled, but in the past, some on the list have been disrespectful, in
> all of it's meanings, on the list, both to listmembers and to the
> titles, myself included.  Not a day goes by that I don't think of >the 
> 'labeling' incident.  I just think that if we all agreed to try to >be 
> more respectful, we would be able to discuss more on this >list without 
> creating WWIII.


I don't remember the 'labeling' incident...I may have stopped reading when 
it got nasty. But we DO all label, using our own standards and 
definitions...in starting this thread, you wrote that your are "more 
patriotic" than most of us. I think we all have different ideas of what it 
means to be patriotic, and some (not me) may take offense that you think you 
are more patriotic than they are just because they show it differently. To 
some, opposing our leadership with open rebellion could be a very patriotic 
thing; to others, it's "my country right or wrong".

I can be offensive, but it's without name-calling or insulting...people (me 
included) do and say enough dumb things---just pointing out their errors can 
be offensive enough without resorting to name-calling :-) Everytime I read 
something disrespectful on the list, I think of the old Saturday Night Live 
News debates that started out "Jane, you ignorant slut...". Makes me  smile. 
You can't take people too seriously, especially anonymous people on an email 
list (even if we have known some of them for 10-15 years).

Lynn Wigglesworth