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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Thanks Lynn, I guess the Act authorized H*meland S*curity to propose and 
enforce new rules.  Did you notice the picture of the gas lantern hanging 
over the bags of a mmonium nitrate  <g> ?  

True story:  a few years ago, my wife went to Home Depot, bought a couple of 
bags of fertilizer , threw them in the trunk of her car, came home, went to 
bed.  The next am , the car was 'smoking'.  The bags of fertilizer had been 
pressed up against a tailight wire where the insulation had rubbed off.  It 
is a wonder the car didn't burst into flames and burn down the house , 
too.........


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--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail - "Orwellian future"
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 1:17 PM
> This article, dated Nov. 13, 2008 says that Homeland
> Security has proposed 
> new rules, but implies that  they haven't taken effect
> yet.
> http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/11/13/homeland-security-will-track-fertilizer-buyers/
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: "Lynn Wigglesworth"
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>; 
> <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
> "Orwellian future"
> 
> 
> > Lynn , it was signed into law last December, The
> following was taken from 
> > the 2005 Act and incorporated into the 2008 Act I
> guess it just took a 
> > democrat congress.  ' from within the Act:
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Amends HSA to direct the Secretary to: (1)
> regulate the sale and transfer 
> > of ammonium nitrate to prevent its misappropriation or
> use in a terrorist 
> > act; (2) establish a threshold percentage for a
> substance to be treated as 
> > ammonium nitrate; (3) establish a process by which
> ammonium nitrate 
> > facility owners and ammonium nitrate purchasers are
> required to register 
> > with DHS and are issued a registration number; and (4)
> require facility 
> > owners to maintain a record of each sale or transfer
> of ownership of 
> > ammonium nitrate for two years. Sets forth provisions
> regarding: (1) 
> > exempting persons producing, selling, or purchasing
> ammonium nitrate 
> > exclusively for use as an explosive material under a
> federal explosives 
> > license; (2) ensuring that access of agricultural
> producers to ammonium 
> > nitrate is not unduly burdened; (3) restricting the
> disclosure of 
> > information obtained under this section; (4)
> inspecting and auditing 
> > facility owner records to prevent the
> > misappropriation of ammonium nitrate; and (5) timely
> reporting of the 
> > theft or unexplained loss of ammonium nitrate.
> > Prohibits: (1) buying and taking possession of
> ammonium nitrate, or owning 
> > or operating an ammonium nitrate facility, without a
> registration number; 
> > or (2) failing to comply with any requirement of this
> section. Prescribes 
> > a civil penalty. Sets forth provisions regarding
> protections from civil 
> > liability and preemption. Sets deadlines for
> regulations. Authorizes 
> > appropriations. "
> >
> > ""H.R. 1680: Secure Handling of Ammonium
> Nitrate Act of 2007
> > To authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security to
> regulate the sale of 
> > ammonium nitrate to prevent and deter the acquisition
> of ammonium nitrate 
> > by terrorists, and for other purposes.
> >
> > Last Action: Dec 26, 2007: Provisions of Measure
> Incorporated into Section 
> > 563 of Title V of Division E of H.R. 2764. "
> >
> > H.R.2764   ...... Signed by the President on December
> 26, 2007
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
> "Orwellian future"
> >> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com,
> homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:42 AM
> >> If you read those links, they "urge" and
> >> "request" that suspicious activity be
> reported.
> >> The Secure Handling of Ammonium Nitrate Act of
> 2005 was
> >> never passed into law. There are no reporting
> requirements,
> >> as far as I could see.
> >>
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob
> ford"
> >> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:17 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
> >> "Orwellian future"
> >>
> >>
> >> > Click on this link , Lynn.  This was a simple
> 7 second
> >> search .  Still, I could have used better
> >> example........bobford
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=what+are+the+reporting+requirements+to+atf+for+large+purchases+of+fetilizer%3F&btnG=Search
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I only know what it's like here;
> anyone could
> >> fill up
> >> >> barrels with diesel  fuel and pay cash
> without
> >> raising a single question. You can get receipts 
> for cash
> >> purchases; I do it all the time for tax purposes.
> >> >>
> >> >> I feel bad if reporting people is common
> where you
> >> are...it isn't here. But  clearly you will
> believe what
> >> you want, what supports your world view.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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