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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

The whole deal is the combination, and I don't think there are restrictions, 
just reporting requirements.  You say part of your family owns stations.  If 
somweone that you didn't know, pulled in in a rental truck with a bunch of 
barrels in the back and proceeded to fil them with diesel, you wouldn't alert 
anyone (and what if you knoticed the tons of fertilizer stacked in the 
back)?.  I remeber a man getting busted (actually in a shootout, somewhere 
around Bumblebee, AZ); the cops went there intitally because they had been 
tipped off that he had bought a bunch of diesel and fertilizer.

Anyway, like I said it was an example; kind of a bad one, because if I owned 
a diesel station and somebody (a stranger who didn't look like he was in the 
business) pulled up and started filling multiple barrels of diesel next to 
bags of fertilizer, even I might think he needed to be questioned, at least, 
about his intentions.

There are reporting requirements that are admistrative directives, rather 
than laws.  They go along with licensure.  Some are even called voluntary.  
For example, I recently read of a directive that motel employees report 
"suspicious activity".  This was an indirect part of all of the 
patri*t/h*meland sec*rity crap, but not part of an actual law.

It's kind of like the USSR used to be where you were expected to report on 
your neighbor for the general collectivist good.  

I should have stuck with an example of which I was more sure , like the cash 
transaction stuff or the ephedrine stuff....

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--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net> wrote:

> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail - "Orwellian future"
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:24 PM
> Ah, Bob, i think you're friend is right <g>
> 
> There are NO restrictions on diesel sales!  None, nodda,
> nein, no.  The rules on diesel (other than the low-sulfur
> stuff) are no different than they have been for decades. 
> The family owns gas stations.  When we borrowed the Silver
> Eagle, we tanked up 300 gallons at one fell swoop.  Not so
> much as a raised eyebrow.  All we got was "y'all
> have a nice day."  Oh, and she wanted to know if
> we'd had the new 3 Vanilla ice cream we bought before
> and if we'd liked it.  (the answer was yes)
> 
> We just filled up 6 - 50 gallon barrels with off-road.  No
> questions asked.
> 
> No one says boo when we pick up 50 to 100 sacks of
> fertilizer.
> 
> Now, I will admit that we don't pull up in a U-Haul but
> then we wouldn't need a U-Haul, Home Depot has their own
> trucks they'll rent you to haul the stuff away with.
> 
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford"
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> 
> 
> > Lynn, I don't know what search words to put in,
> and I am uncomfortable doing such a search anyway; but there
> were some types of restrictions put on fertilizer/diesel
> sale after OKC.  And, you do need registration in any state
> to sale fertilizer products.  If I went to home depot with a
> ryder truck and tried to buy a a couple of hundred bags of
> nitrate fertilizer , I don't think I would make it to
> the diesel station to feel up the b*rrels, without being
> pulled over.
> > 
> >  I'm not saying that is necessarily bad, on its
> face; it was just an example, like the sudafed (which I
> think is stupid; the meth heads still make all the want; the
> price just went up , so the violence went up-  A mexican
> gang beheaded another 8-10 people in Tijuana this weekend;
> it's not even a big deal, anymore
> > 
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
> "Orwellian future"
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 8:50 PM
> >> >I don't know what quantities of diesel and
> >> fertilizer, but they do pay
> >> >attention to that just like they do sudafed
> (ephredrine
> >> products - yes,
> >> >used to manufacture meth)
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Who is 'they'? How do they 'pay
> attention'
> >> unless you have to register to
> >> buy fertilizer (which you don't)? How could
> they track
> >> cash sales to
> >> anonymous buyers?
> >> 
> >> > When my credit card was stolen , this past
> july
> >> (remeber the price of gas
> >> > then), the thieves had hit a number of gas
> stations,
> >> but after the second
> >> > one, citibank called me at home, told me they
> had put
> >> a 'stop' on the
> >> > card, and dispatched the police-- this was
> all while
> >> the thieves were
> >> > still using the card to buy more gas.  Citi
> knew
> >> exactly when , where ,
> >> > and how much. to >the second, live, while
> it was
> >> happening
> >> 
> >> Well, yeah. That's the good/bad thing about
> credit
> >> cards. You can still buy
> >> gas (and diesel) anonymously for cash. A sale of
> diesel
> >> wouldn't stand out
> >> in an area where half the vehicles use diesel (and
> everyone
> >> fills gas cans
> >> to take to fill their tractor). Again, how could
> they track
> >> cash sales?
> >> 
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> 
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