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["Marie McHarry" <mmcharry AT gmail.com>]

 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:43 PM, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure if you were talking to me or Marie, but I was
> thinking about it from the other way.

I think I brought up gun control first to illustrate a point. Gun
control has been a get-out-the-vote issue for the right wing for some
time, but all the gun laws that affect our daily use of guns are state
laws (yes, I know, a few years back there was a federal ban on
automatic weapons, it's gone now, and hardly anybody noticed its
coming or going except the NRA).

I may be wrong, but I think that every gun law in the country that
would cause serious problems for even the most serious pro-gun person
has been passed at the municipal level. The only places in the country
 with serious, chronic gun problems are large cities. People are
generally so opposed to gun laws that no state will pass one, although
several in recent years have passed concealed weapons laws (and
Illinois keeps trying).

It's not clear how the Second Amendment applies to gun ownership
although the Supremes are, I believe, going to take the issue up in
this session, but I don't remember what the law is that they're
looking at.

At any rate, I don't see guns being taken away from us by either state
or federal authorities any time soon: the authorities don't need them
to exercise population control. The laws that followed 9/11 were very
soliticous of the right to buy a gun at gun shows, for example, even
if you were a Saudi national with a knife between your teeth but not
so much with regards to other rights, like the right to be secure in
our own homes and papers. And then there's habeus corpus. I would not
want to be charged with terrorism at this time.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Marie, who is not a lawyer but who has been observing the recent abuse
of the Constitution with some sadness


I grew up next to the town of
> Kennesaw, Ga...have you ever heard of it?
> Back in the early 80's, the sleepy town of Kennesaw created quite a stir
> when they passed a law requiring every household to have a gun...that's
> pretty much a local thing...so I was thinking locally...of course, you
> gotta realize I grew up in that County, Cobb County (home of one greasy
> politician named Newt Gingrich...Mr. Conservative Hypocrit if there was one)
> I know and I glad that we have base protection federally, but when it
> comes to specifics as to who can do what and when, usually the state
> decides.  Isn't it the state that determines how long you have to wait,
> what kind of background check you get, and what kind of gun you can buy
> and from whom?  Or, does that fall solely under ATF jurisdiction?
> Anyway, I think it all should be done on a local basis.
>
> Bev
>
>
> Gloria Morris wrote:
> > With all due respect, gun control is not a state issue. The Bill of Rights
> > specifically guarantees the right to bear arms. The Bill of Rights was 
> > made
> > applicable to the states by the 14th amendment. It is a federal issue if
> > ever there was one. If the Supreme Court rules that the Second Amendment 
> > is
> > an individual right, then states have no more business controlling guns 
> > than
> > they have controlling speech or religion.There are severe limits on states
> > with respect to laws they can pass that might infringe on speech or
> > religion. The same should be true of the right to bear arms (at least as I
> > read that amendment - not every attorney agrees).
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Surely you jest, Marie...when did a little problem like that ever stop
> >>> the feds from interfering?  If they aren't already, half or more of all
> >>> the "issues" in this 'national' campaign should be in the state or local
> >>> domain, not the fed..jmo..(think gun control, education, welfare, etc.)
> >>> etc.)
> >> No, I'm really not jesting. Can you cite any federal laws that have to
> >> do with smoking? TV ads are banned and warning labels were mandated
> >> because of interstate commerce. Heck, the feds used to support tobacco
> >> farmers.
> >>
> >> For the most part, gun control is also a state issue. So is abortion.
> >> They're used to make noise in national elections to turn out social
> >> conservatives to vote for Republicans.
> >>
> >> The states wouldn't need to put up with interference from the feds on
> >> education and welfare eitheer if they didn't want federal money.
> >>
> >> Marie
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