Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>]

Hello All,
 
I was just curious what the opinions are out there about Horowitz' theory 
regarding Hebrew etymology - the one presented in the book How the Hebrew 
Language Grew.  
 
Although I of course look forward to Karl's response, I would like to hear 
from as many of you as are willing.
 
Thank You,
 
david kolinsky
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Hi to you all , please may I inquire of a Hebrew Scripture question , it 
concerns the practice of using expressions like "daughter of Zion" , daughter 
of Babylon , daughter of Edom , Philistines etc , there seems to  be a 
language in code almost , let me put some pasages up and see what you think, 

Ps 45:12  And the daughter of Tyre will be there with a gift.
Ps 137:8 O daughter of Babylon who are to be destroyed 
Is 47:1     Come sit down in the dust O virgin daughter of Babylon
               Sit on the ground without a throne O daugter of the Chaldees
Jer 51:33  For this says the Lord of Hosts , the God of Israel
               The daughter of Zion is like a threshing floor

Lam 4:21  Rejoice and be glad O daughter of Edom

Ezek 16:456 Your elder sister is Samaria ....your younger sister is Sodom


Zec 2:7  Up,  Zion !  Escape you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon .

All these passages seem to nominate a generation to follwo as the "daughter 
of" , similar as is the "daughter of Zion/Jerusalem" and many passages  2nd 
Kgs 19:21 and is 37:22

Is 37:22  The virgin daughter of Zion has despised you laughed you to scorn 
the daughter of Jerusalem has shaken her head behind your back.

Zec 9:9  Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of 
Jerusalem:behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having 
salvation;lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. 

There are as you know many many more , then we have passages like Is 54:1

Is 54:1   Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, 
and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the 
children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the 
LORD. 

Is 50:1   Where is the certificate of your mothers divorce , Whom I have put 
away ?Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you.

Is 66:7    Before she travailed she gave birth , before her pain came she 
delivered a male child. Who has heard of such a thing , who has seen such 
things ?   Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day. Or shall a 
nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she gave birth to her 
children .

There seems to be role play language mixed in with direct evidence type of 
historical account, and it smostly found in the prophecies , with your 
understanding of Hebrew have you ever considered how much this "coded 
wording" appears so often , and do you have a name for it , or indeed a 
translation for all its terms.



I ask this with respect in an attempt to learn ,what can Is 54:1 mean , I 
think it means former Israel and future Israel , but I am only guessing, does 
anyone study this type of langauge.    doug belot