Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

In Spanish the direct object always takes the preposition 'a'.

e.g. Spanish literally reads 'I saw to Maria'

What do you suggest Vadim? Should I translate the 'to' literally or 
rather just translate the sense of the sentence?

-----Original Message-----
From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Vadim Cherny
Sent: Tue 10/4/2005 7:35 PM
To: Dr. Joel M. Hoffman; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] prepositions and grammar
 
So you suggest to ignore prepositions when convenient? Next, shall we ignore 
verbs?

Vadim Cherny


> >4) "became a living soul" ignores the preposition le, "became for a 
> >living soul."
>
> I'm joining this argument in the middle, but let me point out that the
> preposition "L" here should not be translated "for."  Rather, the
> preposition is a consequence of Hebrew grammar.  In a language such as
> English, in which the grammar does not require a preposition, the word
> is best left untranslated.
>
> It is a common mistake to translate grammatical elements into semantic
> ones, or vice versa.
>
> With wishes for a healthy and happy 5766,
>
> -Joel Hoffman
> http://www.exc.com/JoelHoffman
>
> 

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Peter:

What I've read on the plague is that many rats coming out 
and dying, followed almost at the same time that many 
people developed bubonic plague, has been noticed by 
even ancient peoples. But it was only with the discovery of 
the disease pathogen and the role that rat fleas play in the 
spread of the disease was it discovered that there was a 
connection, not just a coincidence.

I am not making any claim that the ancient Philistines saw 
it as anything other than a coincidence.

Karl W. Randolph.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
To: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Who is Ptgyh of Ekron Inscription again?
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:11:49 +0500

> 
> On 04/10/2005 00:36, Karl Randolph wrote:
> 
> > ... From this story, I get the picture that this was an outbreak 
> > of bubonic plague, typified by many rats coming out and dying, 
> > followed by the disease breaking out in people with swellings 
> > (buboes) and a high mortality rate 1 Samuel 5:12.
> >
> >
> 
> This is an interesting theory, but it raises the interesting suggestion
> that the ancient Philistine priests and diviners were aware of the
> connection between rats and bubonic plague, something which has been
> generally known only since the 19th century CE. Or else is suggests that
> some readers of English versions have understood "plague" as referring
> specifically to bubonic plague, rather than in its general sense of
> "serious epidemic", and have then used their creative imaginations
> concerning the model rats.
> 
> -- Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/


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