[TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book

Kelsey Guntharp kbguntha at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 14 16:22:33 EDT 2007

i hope no one takes offense to the anne frank reference. i apologize if so. 
i don't mean to take
a holocaust victim lightly in the least. i was just looking for a point of 
reference with the personal becoming public.

sorry, wrote this quickly too. at work.. oops. :)


>From: "Kelsey Guntharp" <kbguntha at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa  
>1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
>To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:18:10 -0700
>I totally understand where you and Layla are coming from. I think that 
>being there in the beginning of something that was blown up and out and 
>under lends an attachment that would definitely lead to a desire for 
>privacy and personal memories.
>On the other hand I also feel like there is no use in fighting the 
>inevitable result of this technologically advanced uh, situation. All we 
>can really do is try and be now. show love. play music...
>i think it's great that we have such a wide variety of "news" outlets 
>available to us. personal, published, music, writing, art... even medical. 
>it's amazing and inspiring. and maybe a bit scary on many levels... and 
>yes, it seems like maybe people are getting caught up in the ephemera. but 
>shit! this is the first time we can actually FIND some ephemera! and who 
>knows what great directions this might take future generations. Man, i know 
>this is a por comparison, but Anne Frank's Diary was meant for HER eyes 
>only. but look what good it has done. especially with the last generations 
>of living witnesses dying.
>anyway. i think the future of documentation is so interesting and valuable. 
>and scary. did i say that already? but inevitable!
>>From: "Tobi Vail" <tobivail at gmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 
>>  1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa  
>>1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
>>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:27 -0700
>>well,,,there is a difference in perspective....if you made something
>>when you were 18 with the intent of 5 people reading it, would you
>>want it on the internet when you are 38? not necsesarily...i'm not
>>opposed to having some of my old work out there, i'm intending to make
>>it available on my own terms, but i have no interest in making a
>>fanzine 'available for download'...to me, fanzines are all about
>>context....those zines were not made for everyone...they were made in
>>a community for a community and often that was a community of less
>>than 20 people...i don't find that any more elitist than going over to
>>someone's house for dinner rather than having a banquet. obviously the
>>conversations you have with your friends over dinner are going to be
>>different than a speech you'd give at an awards ceremony...sorry if
>>this is warped by my personal persepctive/neurosis, but there you have
>>it...i also love ephermal art and view fanzines in the same way...
>>the thing about saying that young people missed out because they were
>>young doesn't hold up because anyone can make a fanzine. those zines
>>aren't any better than anything anyone could make right now. that is
>>why the fanzine is a great art form. it's there for the taking...
>>time to get in the van! nice to see everyone in the bay area...hi layla!
>>ps there is actually an overabundance of academic writing on riot
>>grrl, but some of it is good, just search online or on jstor or
>>something like that and you'll get overwhelmed. it's not like people
>>haven't archived it and analyzed it to death already....what needs to
>>happen is another movement, not more documentation, well,,,,that's
>>more than my two cents, but there you have it
>>On 9/14/07, mike at appelstein.com <mike at appelstein.com> wrote:
>> > I understand what you're saying, and I definitely understand the
>> > tendency to look at the past through rose-colored glasses.  But at the
>> > same time, why should latecomers miss out on inspiring
>> > art/music/writing just because they happened to be too young, or just
>> > otherwise occupied, the first time?  I don't think there's anything
>> > wrong with exploring the past, especially if it helps inspire the
>> > future.  Perhaps a balance of past and present works best.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>> > mike at appelstein.com
>> > http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
>> > http://www.youngmarblegiants.com
>> >
>> > Quoting Layla Gibbon <lpgibbon at yahoo.com>:
>> >
>> > > One of the things I like about punk culture is that it
>> > > is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now
>> > > everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people
>> > > bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have
>> > > disappeared in previous generations.
>> >
>> >
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