[permaculture] After a Permaculture Design Course, then what?

Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network lakinroe at silcom.com
Thu Jul 26 11:07:21 EDT 2007

hi jim
         here a couple that I know of

TRAINING FOR opportunties for "permaculture design trainee."

Penny Livingston of Regenerative Design Institute & Permaculture 
Institute of Northern California  PO Box 923  Bolinas, CA 
94924  (415) 868 
offers a two year apprenticeship for a "certified permaculture 
designer" (she has run the program I think for over 3 years and has 
had one grad class )and other Teacher like Larry Santoyo 
santoyo at earthflow.com (SLO County)  has offered some training 
for  "permaculture design trainee'  but I will him  let explain more 
he is on the listserve

Also check out Geoff Lawton Australai  www.permaculture.org.au

The Permaculture Research Institute offers internships at Diversity 
Farm, The Channon, New South Wales, Australia.

These include mentorship by accredited permaculture teachers with a 
great depth of experience in design consultancy and international 
project establishment. A great diversity of disciplines options are 
available with on ground skills for from three months to two years 
possible including a permaculture diploma. Food and basic farm 
accommodation is included for $350 per week.

At 07:58 AM 7/26/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Toby-
>You imply below that there is such an animal as
>"two years of study under a mentor ".
>Is there a list of mentors?
>Is there even one person in the US who has done such a program?
>Or mentors who have offered it?
>If so, where are the ads in the back of the Permaculture Activist
>(the logical place for students and mentors to meet each other)?
>Having gotten a PDC two years ago, I have wondered what one does 
>"officially" to follow up.
>(I'm keeping myself productively busy, but have wondered about the above.)
>-- Jim
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:40:44 -0700
>From: Toby Hemenway <toby at patternliteracy.com>
>Subject: [permaculture]   "certified permaculture designers"
>To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Paul wrote:
> > > I'm a certified permaculture designer and I'm pretty passionate about
> > > permaculture principles.
> > >
> > > Recently, I saw a terrible thing.  Six rational, eco-friendly people,
> > > including two that are certified permaculture designers, [who 
> did something Paul did not like]
> >
>Toby writes:
>A note about the use of terms. Taking a 72-hour design course does not
>make you a "certified permaculture designer." The original certificates
>from Mollison say, in some cases, that the holder "has successfully
>completed a permaculture design course" and other certificates from him
>say "is a permaculture design trainee." Somehow in later iterations by
>other teachers, usually a few generations removed from Bill, people got
>the idea that a PDC made you a professional, certified designer.
>Seventy-two hours is the equivalent of two college classes but with no
>homework, which is not enough to make anyone a designer. Bill has been
>very firm about this, and most of the old-school teachers feel the same
>way. I believe it's generally thought that getting a diploma from the
>Permaculture Institute after two years of study under a mentor is what
>is required to call yourself a certified designer (right, Scott or Robyn
>or any of you long-time Pc teachers?).
>It's unfortunate that this
>"resume bloat" has led to so many people thinking the PDC makes them a
>certified designer, instead of a design trainee.
>I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts, pro or con, about this.
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