[nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)

Bob Bors bob.bors at usask.ca
Sat Jan 21 11:42:00 EST 2012


I wonder if the comment about expect 7kg per plant of Pure Russian varieties
is a word of mouth change of what I told growers a few years ago?
We once had 7Kg on one plant of one variety (Tomichka also called Blue
Belle) but the year before and year after was about 4kg on that same bush.
The plant was 7 years old.
Japanese growers say that good plants produce about 3kg. That was a group of
the leading growers at a meeting in Hokkaido who told me that. A few Russian
papers that I have read show a great deal of variability between varieties
but some of those papers are judging young plants at 3 years old.  When I
got 7kg on that bush I thought it was a record   The estimate of Tundra at
4kg is based on a guess of being a bit above average because the berry size
was about 50% larger and the plants looks to have as many fruits as its
father, Tomichka, had at a young age. But the mother is perhaps 10% shorter
than Tomichka.
I think a major factor on variable yield is having rain during bloom.  A
plant that fruits so early should have enough time to recover and have
another full crop.  We stopped tracking the yields of those 1st plants
because the waxwings were religiously devouring that original row and seemed
oblivious to the acre of berries in a nearby field.  We didn't want to cover
them forcing the waxwings to look elsewhere.

Haskap seeds are most similar to tomatoes.  Like tomatoes they have a
slippery goo around them that you don't notice when eating. They are flat
like tomatoes but are half to 1/3rd the size.


Dr. Bob Bors
Head of  the Fruit Breeding Program
Dept. of Plant Sciences
University of Saskatchewan
51 Campus Dr.
Saskatoon, SK  S0K 3A0
Canada
Program website:   www.fruit.usask.ca
Bob.Bors at usask.ca





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We are selling three Honeyberry varieties this year in the Fedco catalog.
JB

John Bunker
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On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Chris Garriss wrote:

> I was just reading through this thread, and have become quite 
> intrigued.  A quick look and I only found 2 places that sell the 
> plants.  Any suggestions as to where might be the "best" source?
>
> Depending on where I would plant, it would either be 6b (almost but 
> not quite 6a due to elevation) or 7a/7b interface
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Dan Nave <nave1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars?  The Tundra and 
>> Borealis seem like they have fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee 
>> pollinator seems to have large fruit also.  How would you 
>> characterize the taste?
>>
>> By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
>>> Nope.  You made the right decision!
>>>
>>> Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed:
>> Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless.  In fact they have 
>> larger seeds than blueberries.  I know this for a fact because I have 
>> saved seeds from my honeyberries several times using a household 
>> strainer to clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to 
>> do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry 
>> seeds a few years ago.
>> Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>> zone 3
>>> Edmonton, AB
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>  From: Dan Nave<nave1 at comcast.net>
>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread 
>>> (permaculture
>> forum at permies)
>>>
>>> Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some
>> more, I ordered a Tundra,
>>> Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or
>>> Honeyberry)
>> from HoneyberryUSA.  Running
>>> out of room to put stuff...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>>>> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies) 
>>>> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>>>>
>>>> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation 
>>>> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
>>>> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian 
>>>> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars 
>>>> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less 
>>>> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
>>>> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license 
>>>> from the University of Saskatchewan.
>>>> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are 
>>>> required for the best fruit set.
>>>> haskapcentral
>>>> www.haskapcentral.com
>>>>
>>>> "Honeyberry"
>>>> Jim Gilbert
>>>> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
>>>> many named varieties
>>>> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=4_112
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