[NAFEX] elderberries stem toxicity

Michele Stanton 6ducks at gmail.com
Sun Aug 28 16:25:20 EDT 2011


Jay,
My understanding is that Elderberries have several cyanogenic compounds in
them that are harmful to varying degrees until subjected to heat, i.e.,
cooked. (The leaves can also cause a contact dermatitis in some people,
although I don't know which compounds are responsible). These same compounds
are a defense against herbivory.  The material I read says that deer are
negatively affected by these compounds which are found in elderberry bark,
too.

Those of you who grow elderberries.....  do they suffer from deer browse?

Michele in SW Ohio 


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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] elderberries stem toxicity

I once got violently ill after eating elderberries right off the bush. 
Days later, when I had finally recovered, I did some research and found 
that the elderberry stems contain a toxin. I had stripped the berries 
right off the clusters with my teeth (Ok, it was really hot out and I 
was really parched and I didn't have the patience to pick one berry at a 
time.)

Any run into this? When  you mentioned bits of stem being included I 
thought of this.

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
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On 8/27/2011 7:52 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
> A search on the net pulled up this.  I'll try it next.
>
> http://elderberries.ning.com/forum/topics/elderberry-goo-how-to-clean
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM, mIEKAL aND<qazingulaza at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Compared to cherry trees on standard elderberries would be a breeze to
>> net&  then you could leave them until they are perfectly ripe, rather
>> than trying to outwit the birds&  pick the berries before the birds
>> get them.  The robins here have been harvesting them earlier&  earlier
>> over the last ten years, I'm thinking their survival mechanisms are a
>> lot sharper than mine.
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Evan<kodama at riseup.net>  wrote:
>>> I have no idea about the goo, but boy the birds have really gone for the
Elderberries this year. The wild patch I collected from last year is almost
eaten bare. The few wild bushes on my property are bare. Another patch I
found earlier in the year that I looked in on a few days ago: bare. I
haven't seen the dark clusters on the roadside elders either, which leads me
to suspect they've been eaten up too. I really hope I can scrounge enough
this week to make medicine for the winter! Otherwise I don't know what I'll
do come flu season.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>> Southern Appalachia, Zone 6, 2800'
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2011, at 7:27 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>>
>>>> The birds got all my elderberries this year so I'm making elderberry
>>>> wine on shares with berries from another local grower.  However, he
>>>> borrowed the county grape destemmer to destem the elderberries&
>>>> because little bits of stem got into the mix I have an incredible
>>>> amount of green goo in my primary that for the life of me I can't
>>>> clean up.  Citrus cleaner has no effect on it.  Anyone have a product
>>>> they use successfully to remove it?
>>>>
>>>> ~mIEKAL
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