[NAFEX] Plum Question

Ernest Plutko ernestplutko at wiktel.com
Fri Aug 1 12:46:36 EDT 2008


Peaches and nectarines grown from seed usually produce good fruit.

 
From: r.fred.bruns at gmail.com
To: phainopepla at yahoo.com, nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Plum Question
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:48:22 -0400

>I had a peach tree come up from next to my compost pile, obviously
>from a
>store-bought peach whose seed I'd tossed there.  I let it grow, and
>the
>peaches ended up tasting just as good as store-bought ones, although
>they
>are a little smaller.  I'd say go ahead and plant your plum seed. 
>You'll
>need to stratify it, either by keeping it in a plastic bag in the
>fridge
>over the winter or by planting it in the ground and waiting until
>spring for
>it to sprout.
>
>Fred
>central Indiana
>zone 5b
>
>
>On 8/1/08, Michael Dossett <phainopepla at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I think you misunderstood the earlier post about wild vs.
>domesticated
>> plums.  Technically, there is actually MORE genetic variation in
>wild plants
>> than in domesticated ones.  Quite a bit more, actually.  In most
>crops,
>> domestication has caused a severe bottleneck in the germplasm
>leading to a
>> rather narrow genetic base.  The main reason why seedlings from
>wild plants
>> will generally be more or less like their parents and those from
>named
>> cultivars are less likely to be is that the domesticated plants are
>highly
>> selected and many or most of the genes are in a state of linkage
>> disequilibrium as a result of selection and selective mating
>whereas those
>> of wild plants typically are not.
>>
>> Still I think it is good advice.  Plant the seed, be selective, and
>see
>> what you get.  You may be pleasantly surprised.  If not the only
>thing
>> you've lost is a little space and a little time.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Dossett
>> Corvallis, Oregon
>> www.Mdossettphoto.com
>> phainopepla at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/31/08, MARIE ASHTON <bwoodtx at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > From: MARIE ASHTON <bwoodtx at verizon.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Plum Question
>> > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:15 PM
>> > The likelihood of a plum seedling being exactly the same as
>> > the parent is
>> > nearly nil but some do come very close to being the same.
>> > As Lon says Green
>> > Gage/Reine Claude plums were propagated for centuries in
>> > Europe by seed.
>> >
>> > Plant breeders have selection methods that help sort out
>> > the seedlings. Most
>> > breeders do not want small fruited cultivars. You can
>> > generally tell the
>> > smaller fruited seedlings by the first year leaf size. So,
>> > the small leaved
>> > seedlings are eliminated the first year. The second year
>> > any defective or
>> > disease prone seedlings are sorted out. And finally the
>> > remaining trees are
>> > allowed to fruit and only a few selected trees will remain.
>> > Out of 1000
>> > seedlings a breeder may wind up with 2 or 3 trees that have
>> > merit.
>> >
>> > Wild plums can be propagated by seed with nearly identical
>> > results, as
>> > someone said. There is less genetic variation in most wild
>> > plums. The
>> > original Wild Goose plum was propagated by a hunter that
>> > found a plum seed
>> > in a Goose and planted it. The result was a new plum
>> > species that has very
>> > good traits.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Richard Ashton
>> > Oak Creek Orchard
>> > www.oakcreekorchard.com
>> > bwoodtx at verizon.net
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Robert C. Mullins"
>> > <mullins at gaelicmysts.com>
>> > To: <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:14 PM
>> > Subject: [NAFEX] Plum Question
>> >
>> >
>> > > Tasted a plum, it was delicious, saved the seed.  And
>> > now the big
>> > > question, if I plant it, will it grow true?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Robert C. Mullins M.S. IT
>> > > GaelicMysts Farms and Permaculture, Owner
>> > > Clarksville, Ar
>> > > Zone 8a
>> > > http://wildcraft.gaelicmysts.com
>> > >
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