[nafex] urine info and harvest report

Raby, Brian {20-4~Indianapolis} BRIAN.RABY at ROCHE.COM
Tue Aug 14 11:12:11 EDT 2001

If I'm not mistaken, you usually see the brown/yellow spots in the lawn
during the summer time from dog urine.  Most dog food has a high amount of
protein in it, and when broken down inside the body, produces the high level
of N.  During the summer time when the dogs become a bit dehydrated, the
concentration of the N in the urine increases significantly, leading to the
"burnouts" in the lawn.  The remedy for this is to make sure the dog is
given enough water, and soak the area of the brown spots in the lawn with
Kind of a busy harvest time right now.  I'm picking my Ginger Gold apples,
harvesting my Heritage rasperries, and sampling some of my white "seedless"
grapes.  Need to hurry and get the fall crops in the ground if I'm expected
to harvest anything later.  I wish that stores like Wal-Mart, etc... would
still provide the seeds for these crops during this time of year.  I
constantly forget to buy extra in the Spring and I wind up not having
anything to plant for the fall.
Sheridan, IN (north of Indy)

-----Original Message-----
From: hector black [mailto:hblack at TWLakes.Net]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 10:34 PM
To: nafex at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nafex] urine

Well, I've loaned out my "Humanure Handbook" which deals with this whole
subject.  But I believe that fresh urine is pretty well balanced with N, K
and P, and also contains most trace elements.  There are changes as it ages,
but I don't know what they are, except that the N escapes as a gas as urine
ages.  The ammonia smell is part of that.

I've been using it for about 13 years now and learning as I go.  I dilute it
50% most of the time for soil that is reasonably moist.  If soil quite wet,
I use it 75% or even 100% in spring before rapid growth.  I've noticed the
brown spots where dogs urinate - but haven't studied up on dog urine - I
expect each creature has differences in its urine.  But in all the years
I've used human urine (and I learned to do this from my grandfather 60 years
ago,  who had a beautiful garden), I've rarely had problems.  The problems
have been with seedlings that were only in second leaf - where I used 50%
urine and burned them.
    I did have a problem with cherry tomatoes this year.  Tried just one
little fertilization with urine at 50% when they were about 1 ft. high, and
they put on too much to leaf.  They're about 8 ft. high and producing well,
but I would rather keep the plants smaller.
    I've used urine exclusively - the only fertilizer - on my citrus for the
past 3 years and the plants show no chlorosis, have deep green foliage, and
have set and ripened delicious fruits.  This year I upped the urine dosage
to every 3 weeks during summer, and have more flowers and fruit than ever.
    Now, I'm not saying that urine would do as well for any plant.  But we
have used it in the orchard on mayhaw, chestnut, brambles and some other
plants with good results, and no deaths.
    Hector Black  zone 6, middle TN
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net>
To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nafex] urine

> Hi,
> This thread has come up before.
> There is so little urea in urine that you would need gallons and gallons
> and gallons, before it would do any good.
> My guess is that the acidity/salt would kill the plant before any
> fertilzer value was achieved.
> Have you ever seen the results of dog marking his territory with
> urine, using a plant?  Always seen to do vast amounts of harm.
> Regards,
> Tom
> --
> Thomas Olenio
> Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 ddavidson at mwci.net wrote:
> > Hi, wondering,what is the fertilizing value of urine?  How much is
> > too much, etc.?  Dennis
> >
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