[Market-farming] vermicompost

Beth Spaugh lists at rhomestead.com
Fri Jan 6 18:26:55 EST 2012


Sandy - I'd love info about your subterranean tunnel.  Link to photos/etc??

Beth Spaugh
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From: market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Charles
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:46 PM
To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [Market-farming] vermicompost

Hi Andy,

I've been using vermicompost tea in my subterranean heated high tunnel for 
two seasons now.  I grow greens throughout the winter here in Colorado and 
have had great results with sustained growth, even in the short days of 
winter.  No diseases either so far.  Since I'm only in my second season and 
it's my first high tunnel I don't have anything to compare with, but I 
harvest greens weekly, from November through May.  I'm a believer in their 
merits so far...

Sandy
zone 5
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> From: Road's End Farm <organic87 at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] sweet corn - Bt resistance?
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> BT kurstaki etc. applied as a spray or a dust is only present in the
> field for a short period of time after each application. GMO plants
> expressing BT toxin do so continuously throughout the season, and with
> probable residue remaining in the field for some time after harvest.
> The latter situation is likely to produce resistance much faster.
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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> On Jan 5, 2012, at 2:05 PM, <sunnfarm at netscape.com> wrote:
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>> I have used BT since 1972 and BT kurstaki or Dipel is just as
>> effective today as it was 40 years ago. I can not name a single
>> synthetic that has been resistance free for 10 years yet alone 40.
>> Bt is a natural product and must have evolved along with the insects
>> it controls. That is millions of years of exposure.
>> Even before gmo's BT was applied to millions of acres annually
>> without resistance. So I don't think there will be any resistance
>> anytime soon with Bt corn. Keep in mind that corn worms have many
>> host plants to preserve there susceptibility to the toxin.... Bob.
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> From: "Shoemaker, William H" <wshoemak at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] sweet corn - Bt resistance?
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> Good point. There is another problem for resistance development with 
> worm-resistant Bt corn; scale of exposure. The Bt corn varieties have 
> refuge requirements. I believe it is 25% of the acreage that must be 
> planted to non-Bt corn to preserve a portion of the pest population. That 
> may seem counter-intuitive but the idea is to keep the non-resistant pest 
> population healthy so that any resistance genes that emerge are diluted 
> and masked by the non-resistant portion of the pest population as they 
> interbreed. The problem is that farmer compliance with refuge requirements

> isn't as good as it should be, especially over the last couple of years. 
> So when farmers used Bt dust they were limiting exposure to the pest in a 
> number of ways. Other farmers use other pesticides on the same pest 
> population. The pest may not be exposed in each generation. There may be 
> lots of acreage of other crops the pest can thrive on. Or there may be an 
> abundance of native plants that support the pest popul
> ation (tomatoes and their nightshade relatives for example). In the end, 
> there are 10's of millions acres of Bt corn planted. The scale itself 
> increases risk for resistance development.
>
>
>
> Its important to note that use of Bt on one pest does not influence 
> resistance development for another unrelated pest. If they don't 
> interbreed, they don't pass resistance genes.
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>
>
> Bill
>
> William H. Shoemaker
>
> University of Illinois, Crop Sciences
>
> St Charles Horticulture Research Center
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> 535 Randall Road, St Charles, IL  60174
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> 630-584-7254, wshoemak at illinois.edu<mailto:wshoemak at illinois.edu>
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> [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Road's End Farm 
> [organic87 at frontiernet.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:14 PM
> To: Market Farming
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] sweet corn - Bt resistance?
>
> BT kurstaki etc. applied as a spray or a dust is only present in the field

> for a short period of time after each application. GMO plants expressing 
> BT toxin do so continuously throughout the season, and with probable 
> residue remaining in the field for some time after harvest. The latter 
> situation is likely to produce resistance much faster.
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2012, at 2:05 PM, 
> <sunnfarm at netscape.com<mailto:sunnfarm at netscape.com>> wrote:
>
> I have used BT since 1972 and BT kurstaki or Dipel is just as effective 
> today as it was 40 years ago. I can not name a single synthetic that has 
> been resistance free for 10 years yet alone 40. Bt is a natural product 
> and must have evolved along with the insects it controls. That is millions

> of years of exposure.
> Even before gmo's BT was applied to millions of acres annually without 
> resistance. So I don't think there will be any resistance anytime soon 
> with Bt corn. Keep in mind that corn worms have many host plants to 
> preserve there susceptibility to the toxin.... Bob.
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:13:11 -0500
> From: Andy Fellenz <artisanfarms at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] vermicompost
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> Hi,
>
> Anyone making their own vermicompost or compost teas?  I am interested in
> learning more on doing both for use in the greenhouse and high tunnels.
> Any experience or suggested references would be helpful/
>
> I came across this article this morning:
> http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Dec11/Vermicompost.html .  It is nice
> to see that the science is starting to catch up to anecdotal reports on 
> the
> benefits of these materials.
>
> Andy
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