[cc-sampling] name change

Christopher M. Kelty ckelty at rice.edu
Wed Aug 4 18:18:31 EDT 2004


sorry everyone, my apologies. I really didn't intend my message to be
so inflammatory.  Of all my lists, for some reason this one seems to
be most impervious to my over-developed sense of collegial sarcasm.  I
guess I thought that the debate and deliberation was over here, and so
I felt the complaining was misplaced...but it appears I'm quite wrong
on that count.  So it's probably best if I take the proffered advice
and let the wheels of democracy grind on without me.

in hasty retreat,
ck



On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 02:10:08PM -0700, MARK / negativland wrote:
> 
> This is your moderator speaking -
> 
> Let's all keep voicing our thoughts here, but 
> lets also all try extra hard to be nice and civil 
> here as we do it,  me included!
> 
> We all want this thing to be great, otherwise we wouldn't be on this list.
> 
> SMILEY FACE!!!!
> HUGS!!
> KISSES!!
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> At 9:41 PM +0100 8/4/04, David wrote:
> >On 4 Aug 2004, at 20:21, Christopher M. Kelty wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>oh please.  Creative Commons is not the government, they can do
> >>whatever they like. I think they (actually it's really only 2-3 really
> >>hard working people) did a pretty good job of trying to incorporate
> >>feedback from this list. i'm sorry you feel so downtrodden, and i wish
> >>it could have been different. I wish there had been a worldwide
> >>plebecite to determine the proper name of the license. but alas, there
> >>was not.
> >>
> >
> >Clearly Creative Commons is not the government - 
> >if it were I would be seriously considering 
> >voting for regime change.
> >
> >So what is it is 2-3 people? Does that mean they 
> >should be left to do whatever they like? Why 
> >bother setting up the list to discuss it. And if 
> >Creative Commons is unresponsive to its 
> >supporters and thinks it can do the hell it 
> >likes - then it clearly is not the organisation 
> >I thought it was.
> >
> >It's tough to be criticised but with power comes 
> >responsibility, whether you like it or not.
> >
> >And actually there *was* a debate about the name 
> >of the license. And yes a decision was made. And 
> >the decision was to call it the SAMPLING LICENSE!
> >
> >>If it pisses you off, don't use the license! go make your own!  Or
> >>just call it the Sampling License. Creative Commons cannot and will
> >>not stop you. Call it whatever you like!  Start your own nonprofit!
> >>Free us from the tyranny of Minister Gil!  Please do it somewhere
> >>other than in my mailbox though...
> >>
> >
> >Forking the license is hardly the point, and 
> >perhaps forking whenever there is disagreement 
> >about something is like pressing a nuclear 
> >button just because someone says something they 
> >don't like. I believe in debate and deliberation 
> >rather than petulantly walking off.
> >
> >In any case, Creative Commons has power, it has 
> >written the licenses and it is promoting and 
> >advertising them. But of course, you know this 
> >as well as I do, and should I leave the debate 
> >and 'set up my own license' you will continue to 
> >be the big player. Neither of us will gain from 
> >the situation and you are alienating a 
> >(critical) supporter.
> >
> >As regards your desire to protect your mailbox, 
> >if you feel that you would not like to be 
> >involved in this debate any longer I would 
> >suggest that you leave the list.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >---
> >
> >http://www.locarecords.com
> >
> >
> >
> >>ck
> >>
> >>On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 08:02:20PM +0100, David wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>And for the grand finale, Minister of Culture Gilberto Gil will
> >>>>officially release a few of his songs under the License Formerly
> >>>>Known as Sampling, which, from this moment forward, will be called
> >>>>Recombo, a name inspired by the Brazilian art collective re:combo.
> >>>>Minister Gil was in Lisbon last week, playing with Paul McCartney
> >>>>and others, and just earlier this week he inaugurated the Brazil v.
> >>>>Argentina futebol match with song on national television. Needless
> >>>>to say we are humbled and thrilled beyond belief to have him
> >>>>preside over this important day. And as if that weren't enough, Mr.
> >>>>Gil is playing a live show later tonight. Recombo-licensed songs
> >>>>will be featured.
> >>>>
> >>>>Brazil offers two gifts to the world today: Recombo creativity, and
> >>>>the music of Gilberto Gil.
> >>>>
> >>>>More soon. Stay tuned.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>-----
> >>>
> >>>Now that's what I call democracy!
> >>>
> >>>Certainly questions should be asked...
> >>>
> >>>- Who exactly was so inspired I wonder?
> >>>
> >>>- Why exactly are we naming licenses after currently existing groups?
> >>>(In which case I would have preferred the Negativland license myself
> >>>;-)
> >>>
> >>>- What (to repeat an earlier question I asked) was the point of this
> >>>list?
> >>>
> >>>- Does anyone have the feeling that the sampling license (RIP) has
> >>>become an advertising hoarding?
> >>>
> >>>- Will Creative Commons stay quiet and hope that this whole debate will
> >>>go away if they ignore it?
> >>>
> >>>- Does anyone at Creative Commons *care* about what people involved in
> >>>this list think about being so blatantly used, ignored and overruled!
> >>>
> >>>David
> >>>
> >>>---
> >>>
> >>>http://www.locarecords.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 4 Aug 2004, at 18:35, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Thomas Margoni wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>I hope David will be wrong, so if anyone knows why there's a new
> >>>>>name for this license, i hope he/her will post this list, as it
> >>>>>is still on
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/4234
> >>>>http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/4236
> >>>>http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/4303
> >>>>
> >>>>--    Mike Linksvayer
> >>>>  http://creativecommons.org/learn/aboutus/people#21
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