[b-hebrew] Haggai 2,8 + Ezra 3,10

ps2866 at bingo-ev.de ps2866 at bingo-ev.de
Thu Mar 29 15:27:11 EDT 2012


Dear Karl,

the sequence in Ezra is:
- return from Babylon
- building the altar
- beginning to build the temple and laing its foundation
- enemies stopped this process until (!) the second year of Darius (Ezra
4,24)

Haggai:
- some years after the end of building the temple Haggai calls the people
to begin to work again on the temple, this was the second year of Darius
(Hag 1,1)

So there are some years in between Ezra 3,10 and Hag 2,8. That means JaSaD
can't have one and the same meaning in both instances.

Yours
Peter M. Streitenberger


> Dear Peter:
>
> What different events? As far as I can tell, they both refer to the same
> event.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de> wrote:
>
>> Dear Karl,
>>
>> the problem I have is to see the difference between JaSaD in Ezra and
>> Haggai, as Ezra 3,10 reports the initial beginning of the temple
>> building
>> and Haggai 2,8 uses the same verb, but speaks of another event (520
>> b.c.),
>> so both passages must treated differently, besides you take JaSaD as
>> marking the beginning of the work progress and not laying a foundation
>> as
>> such.
>>
>> Yours
>> Peter M. Streitenberger, Germany
>>
>>
>>
>> > Peter:
>> >
>> > Can you explain more why this is a difficulty?
>> >
>> > The book of Ezra has its first six chapters recounting what went on
>> before
>> > Ezra entered the scene. Ezra is first introduced in 7:1. So what is
>> the
>> > difficulty?
>> >
>> > Karl W. Randolph.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM, <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Friends of B-Heb,
>> >>
>> >> by comparing Haggai and Ezra I found a problem that I can't solve on
>> my
>> >> own:
>> >>
>> >> In Haggai 2,18 it states: "from the day that the foundation of the
>> >> LORD'S
>> >> temple was laid" (NKJ)
>> >>
>> >> In Ezra 3,10 we read: "When the builders laid the foundation of the
>> >> temple
>> >> of the LORD" (NKJ)
>> >>
>> >> In both instances the writer uses the verb JaSaD. What is the
>> difference
>> >> between both occurences, as a foundation can't be laid twice, I
>> guess,
>> >> and
>> >> there are some years between both passages.
>> >>
>> >> Is it better to understand the verb as "beginning to build" rather
>> than
>> >> laying the foundation?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you again for all help !
>> >> Yours
>> >> Peter M. Streitenberger, Germany
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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