[b-hebrew] Fw: Song of Songs 1:3 TWRQ

Pere Porta pporta7 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 11 10:43:31 EST 2012


Karl,

at writing "TW + two root consonants" I mean TW read as in English 'too' or
'tool', not as in the English 'top', 'topic', 'tonic'.
There is a big difference between them.
At giving my answer I intended to mean "TW", not "TO".

Friendly,

Pere Porta
(Barcelona)

2012/12/11 K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>

> Pere:
>
>  On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the viewpoint of form, there is a verbal form, not a noun.
>> In my list of about 9,000 patterns, I found none that being the sum of
>> prefix TW- + two root consonants is a noun. And I say this of both prefixes
>> TW- and T + qubbuts.
>> This said, this pattern TW + two root consonants can be:
>>
>> 1. From verbs p"y, as Karl suggests  ------  see Gn 15:15; Am 7:10; Ps
>> 45:15
>>
>
> As a verbal form, can be either niphal or hophal.
>
>
>> 2. From verbs ayin"waw (or ayin"yod), as lexicons say of twraq in Song
>> 1:3 -------- see 2K 11:15
>>
>
> As a verb, from hophal.
>
>
>> 3. From verbs ayin"ayin (doubled), as David Kolinsky suggests -------- I
>> found no sample in the Tanakh.
>>
>
> Isaiah 33:1 $DD
>
>>
>> Then, the context and the sense must decide which is the precise root
>> TWRQ comes from.
>> Song 1:3 seems to be a rare construction: shemen twraq shimkha...
>> But, Karl, this is certainly not a noun. If the pattern [TW + 2 root
>> consonants] exists in Hebrew as a noun pattern... I surely would have found
>> it.
>>
>
> Let’s look in TWGH from YGH, TWDH from YDH, TWRH from YRH, TW$B from Y$B
> found in Genesis 23:4, Exodus 12:45, Leviticus 22:10 and at least nine
> other verses, so you should have found it.
>
>>
>> Friendly,
>>
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)=
>>
>
> So my question remains, is this a noun from YRQ?
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>



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Pere Porta
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