[b-hebrew] a much bigger and relevant issue not exactly about Caleb
yishalom at sbcglobal.net
Sun Sep 18 01:20:46 EDT 2011
Since Sarai, Sarah, and Yisrael are all based on the root SRH lets look at that only for now.
SRH to fix upon:
in wrestling there are takedowns, controls (holds), and reversals -
in Hebrew "the hold" is described by the verb SRH to wrestle (Gn32:29), (Hs12:4);
the reversals and takedowns by ?BQ (entangle with eachother) to wrestle (Gn32:25,26)
ShWR means (hold firmly in one's sights) to get a fix on (see)
to behold (Jb36:24) in Polael
S?R in Arabic = set out, move along, march, get going, be headed for s.th, be directed / oriented, be guided by; route
ShRR = to direct (Jb37:3)
?ShR = to go intentionally / directly (Pr9:16); (Pr4:14) ;
to direct, lead (Is3:12;9:15)(Pr23:19)
to be directed / led (Is9:15)
ShRyR(hold firm) muscle (Jb40:16)
YShR = straight
The sense of all of these words is "to hold firm"
in some cases physically: to wrestle, muscle
in others visually. When you hold something firmly visually, we call that FOCUSING.
When we follow our focus, we go directly, intently, and straight toward something.
Tell me something, did I fabricate anything here? Perhaps, you can still disagree with my conclusions as to what the names mean, but SRH, ShWR, SRR, ShRR, ?ShR, YShR, mean these things.
--- On Sat, 9/17/11, K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] a much bigger and relevant issue not exactly about Caleb
To: "David Kolinsky" <yishalom at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2011, 8:20 PM
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David Kolinsky <yishalom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not necessarily in support of Jim , but about what you wrote:
"...assume/demand that people be named at birth for something they do later in life. THAT does not make sense."
… a characters names matching their achievements later in life makes perfect sense. If this were not the case then why are so many characters so frequently having their names changed in the context of the story.
Characters changing their name was quite rare in Tanakh. In fact, this message here may list all of them.
Where do you get the definitions you claim?
Avram = exalted father AND one whose willingness (to engage life ) is elevated
Avraham = one who spread his wings [?BR] in pursuit of stirring experiences [HMH]
This name could very well be connected with roots that have long been forgotten.
Sarai = one who focuses on many things (distractedly)
Sarah = one who focuses on one particular thing [SRH]
Where do you get this “focusing” from? More than one root is possible for both names.
YaaQoV = one who grabs on to a thing, and examines and follows, traces a thing, with critical thinking (see Arabic)
This name mean “crooked” as in dealing crookedly, see Genesis 27:36.
Yisrael = one who remains focused on G-d / what advances forward [SRH]
Again “focusing”? There are two or three roots that could fit here, none of which fits your definitions here.
AND YES I KNOW THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT MY ETYMOLOGIES ARE MORE THAN A STRETCH AND SO YOU IGNORE MY POSTS, BUT REALLY DO YOU EVER EVEN STOP TO CONSIDER THEM, OR DO YOU JUST DISREGARD THEM OUT OF HAND
As a lexicographer, I find most of them unbelievable. Yes, I have written a dictionary from Biblical Hebrew to English, part of my personal studies. Thus, I find that most of your etymologies are stretched beyond the breaking point.
No offense meant to anyone on the list, but perhaps your belief in the paradigm taught to you prevents you from looking close enough to see what is being said.
Being mostly self-taught, I am following what I notice in the text and language. Not having been indoctrinated into any particular school of scholarship, I am free to call it as I see it. My call here is that your definitions are wide of the mark.
Karl W. Randolph.
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