[b-hebrew] Fw: Re: Hireq & sere

Uri Hurwitz uhurwitz at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 13 14:44:38 EDT 2011


--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:


 < I think that what you mean by "hearing" the dagesh is
 the faint natural doubling of any consonant,>..
 
     Yes, precisely; thus you anwered your own previous
 challanges about the presenence of the Dagesh in the spoken
 language. It is not prevalent, but it can be heard, as in
 the example I offered. 

 < The dagesh in HIZMANU, 'we invited, we ordered', follows
 a patax, and is there as expected >

   The Dagesh in this case is caused by assimilation
 of two consonants into one. In this case they are:
 1. the final Nun of, the  root (Z M N),
 and 2. the Nun of the the verbal suffix in perf. pl. -...nu .
   Identical roots this respect are LUN, LYN, Y$N etc.

   When letters are were assimilated or dropped, they were
 often compensated by emphasizing, or doubling the following
 consonant. For example: the many verbs with N as an initial
 consonant of the root in Qal, Imperf. 


      Uri Hurwitz                            Great Neck, NY                         




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 here N, situated between two vowels, here A and U. One hears it in AB-BIY, 'my father', AX-XIY, 'my brother', etc. Those who say they don't hear it need to pay closer attention.


Isaac Fried, Boston University




On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:






 
    Just say in Heb. "we invited" and, for comparison, "they invited". 
 You'll hear the dagesh allright in the first.
 
    Uri Hurwitz                                                      Great Neck, NY
 
    

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:



Really, how can a dagesh be "pronounced"? 


Isaac Fried, Boston University



On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:


the Dagesh in the sceond consonant is not pronounced










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