[b-hebrew] Reading Jehovah in Psalm 16:2 and in Psalm 110:1

James Christian jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com
Thu Jun 24 10:21:04 EDT 2010


Hi Dave,

I believe I made it clear from the outset that the best and most faithful
translation we could give is Yhwh. This is all we know with any certainty
about the name.

Also, I think you may be interested to take a look at the archives. You seem
to be assuming that many on this list support the reconstruction Yahweh. If
you check the archives of discussions on the name then you will see that
they are largely dominated by critiques of this reconstruction which many
list members (myself included) do not accept. The most popular data cited
against such a reconstruction are the theophoric components of Hebrew names.
You are not presenting anything new Dave. Many of us share your doubts and
have expressed them on many an occasion.

James Christian

On 24 June 2010 00:30, <davedonnelly1 at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi again James:
>
> In your previous questioning of my position on the vocalization /
> translation of YHWH
> [ while not volunteering any information of  what your positions was],
> you specifically asked me: which vocalization/translation did I support?
>
> In my own personal viewpoint, I presently have no real position on the
> vocalization / translation of YHWH.
> I think that I have basically told you 2-3 times that that was my
> position,
> but you were not happy with my answer.
>
> [It would seem to me that the only valid transliteration of YHWH,
> would have to be a transliteration of an accurately vocalized Hebrew
> Spelling of YHWH.]
>
> James, if you show me an accurate vocalized Hebrew Spelling of YHWH,
> I feel that I'd feel comfortable saying that my position was to believe
> that that accurately vocalized Hebrew Spelling of YHWH accurately
> represented the actual spelling of the name of the God of Israel.
>
> James, would you answer your own question, in your own words,
> so that I might know what your position is on the vocalization /
> translation of  YHWH.
>
> PLEASE BE AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT I KNOW JUST WHAT YOUR POSITION
> IS.
> AND
> Could you possibly help me to know your position as to whether or not
> those two members of B-hebrew made any type of error
> when they used  "Jehovah" twice" when speaking about Psalm 110:1 and
> Psalm;16;2
>
> Please feel free to discuss in detail whether or not those two members of
> B-hebrew did anything  wrong when they called YHWH "Jehovah", either from
> your "point of view" or from "B-Hebrew's Point of view"
>
> Hopefully, after you explain in detail your position on this issue, I
> might be better prepared to answer
> your question as to what my position is on this same issue.
>
> Thank you in advance James, for your answers on what your position is on
> this issue.
>
> Dave Donnelly
>
>
>
>
> On Wed Jun 23 15:07:00 EDT 2010 James Christian wrote
>
> >>>
> Hi Dave,
>
>
> I still don't see you stating a position of any kind. Please could you
> answer in the simplest of terms what your position is? The only thing
> I've been able to extract from any of your responses is that you do not
> any longer support the translation of Yahweh and that you believe that
> scholars do not have the right to dictate what we should believe. I am
> sure these observations are welcomed by whole hearted agreement by many
> members of this list. However, none of this seems to be helping in any
> way to understand what your position is. Your questions seem to be
> formulated in a way that is indicative that you some kind of agenda but
> it is not yet clear what that agenda exactly is.
>
>
> I shall make one last final request. Please make a clear statement of
> which translation you support. If you don't want to come straight out
> with then that is fine. But don't expect me to continue participation in
> a discussion which is unclear from the very outset.
>
>
> James Christian
> >>>
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