[b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew

Kevin Riley klriley at alphalink.com.au
Sun Jun 13 21:16:31 EDT 2010


I would both agree and disagree with Yitzhak.  They do have a habit of 
saying things that are not based on any scholarly consensus or 
archaeological evidence - such as Karl's claim that Hebrew was 
originally CV - but in most cases (not that one) their claims do have a 
basis - it just isn't one we talk about on this list.  I don't see it as 
any more 'apology worthy' than some of the statements they (and others) 
have made, so why not let the gentlemen in question sort it out for 
themselves?  If we start insisting on an apology every time someone is 
offended, we will end up with an archive filled with more apologies than 
anything else.

Kevin Riley

On 14/06/2010 8:49 AM, Bryant J. Williams III wrote:
> Dear Yitzhak,
>
> [Yitzhak said],
> You and Karl and James have a habit of saying something is likely when really
> you have no evidence for it at all.  That's now how it works in scholarship!
>
> [Bryant]
> If the above is what you believe to be true, then so be it. BUT that should NOT
> have been said where every one on the list can read i; I could understand in a
> privately sent e-mail. I, for one, did not appreciate the tone and accusation
> behind the above statement. I truly believe that an apologie is in order, not
> only to the gentlemen above, but also to the list.
>
> Furthermore, if the moderators think that I overstepped, then accept my
> apologies in advance.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Christian"<jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com>
> To: "Yitzhak Sapir"<yitzhaksapir at gmail.com>
> Cc:<b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew
>
>
>    
>> Also, thanks for your announcement "That's now how it works in
>> scholarship!". Many of us were wondering why you presented theories lacking
>> evidence as fact. Your announcement seems to explain to us why you feel this
>> approach is scholarly. For those of us who were still behind and not up to
>> date with how present scholarship works we were still under the misguided
>> impression that you needed evidence and were wasting our time with
>> presenting it to you. We won't bother anymore as we now know that this is an
>> exercise in futility given your summary of how modern scholarship works.
>>
>> "saying something is likely when really you have no evidence for
>> it at all.  That's now how it works in scholarship!"
>>
>> James Christian
>>
>> On 13 June 2010 11:24, James Christian<jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Hi Yitzhak,
>>>
>>> not "likely" that there was an /sh/ either.  You and Karl and James have
>>>        
>>>> a habit of saying something is likely when really you have no evidence for
>>>> it at all.  That's now how it works in scholarship!
>>>>          
>>>
>>> Excuse me! Was that attack at me absolutely necessary? I wasn't even
>>> participating in this discussion. Not only is your statement offensive but
>>> completely contrary to every participation I've made in discussions on this
>>> list. Any time I have offered a critique on your position it has been based
>>> on data and so your statement is completely unwarranted and not only
>>> gratuitously offensive. I think you've just made it onto my list of people
>>> not worth bothering replying to anymore. A shame really. In the past I
>>> enjoyed debating with you.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I've invited list members to turn theoretical knowledge into
>>> something practical by getting involved in working with producing a
>>> generation grammar for b-hebrew. Of all the list members I thought could
>>> benefit from this exercise you, with your constant theoretical statements
>>> lacking data,  were the person I thought could benefit the most from getting
>>> involved in such an exercise. I was more than a little disappointed to see
>>> that instead of accepting such an invitation for an experience you could
>>> learn from you decided to insult me in a thread I had nothing to with and no
>>> intention of getting involved in.
>>>
>>> James Christian
>>>
>>>        
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