[b-hebrew] T-SADE

James Christian jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com
Sun Jul 25 11:57:01 EDT 2010


As far as I understood it Arnaud you was asking my opinion on the early
dating of Codex Vaticanus and the relevance of the tsade issue to its
dating. I answered you openly about the problems with dating raising
relevant issues about how reliable pottery based and philology based dating
can be. You then, completely unnecessarily, belittled those genuine issues
with an overly sarcastic and completely irrelevant response. If you don't
see how that style was offensive then I won't be expecting any apologies
from you any time in the near future. Just as I won't be expecting you to
objectively engage in a discussion about the reliability of the dating
systems used to date MSS (given your unhelpful response).

Now, regarding Jim while my response may have been harshly worded and there
could have been better variants than 'hijacked' to politely say the same
thing and this poor choice of language led Yigal to rightly tell me off for
it you can rest assured that my feelings about the way Jim turns just about
every interesting thread into a discussion about his theory of the
patriarchal narratives are shared by just about every active participant who
has tried to interact with his theories. You have only recently started to
interact with his theories (it's been going on for about 3 years now) but
you can rest assured after you have seen 10 or so threads you open about
something completely unrelated turn into yet another presentation of Jim's
theories you will most likely see things from a better angle and will better
sympathise with my poor choice of words.

Now, I'm willing to let you have the last word in this pointless and
bandwidth consuming discussion about list etiquette but I would much rather
see you interacting with my genuine concerns about dating systems. Have you
really studied pottery and philology based dating schemes to the point where
you can understand and defend them and use conclusions based on them as a
reliable foundational starting point for discussions? I have yet another
doubt. I doubt that you have. I also doubt that you be willing to do so. Or
that you will be willing to engage in a fruitful discussion which would lead
us both (and others who participate in the discussion) to learn more about
dating of MSS and give us a better foundation to base discussions on. I
would whole heartedly welcome that you disappoint me and show me that my
latest doubts are completely unfounded. We could then stop bickering and
etiquette and learn something together.

James Christian

On 25 July 2010 18:06, Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: James Christian
> To: Arnaud Fournet
> Cc: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 4:29 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] T-SADE
>
>
> Hi Arnaud,
>
>
> is there anybody on this list who you haven't yet managed to offend?
>
> ***
> Why don't you ask the persons on the list directly?
>
> I do not claim to represent anybody but myself.
>
> A.
> ****
>
>
>
>
> Amongst my growing list of doubts I now doubt that there is.
> James Christian
>
> ***
> I'm afraid the list is not about discussing you personally having doubts or
> not doubts about this or that.
> Are your "doubts" the ultimate Truth around which the World revolves?
> Please confirm.
>
> I noticed one of your mails about Jim's "hijacks" was declared unwelcome,
> and I agree,
> and I suppose this new post of yours qualifies for the same negative
> assessment.
>
> Are you not the person who was asking for "something useful to be
> discussed"?
> For example, do you have any suggestion ?
> I proposed something, so far you did not. I'm still waiting for a
> suggestion from you.
> A fact.
>
>
>
> In all cases, this is my last mail on your "doubts" and other personal
> unwelcome issues.
>
>
>
> Best Regards.
>
> Arnaud Fournet
> ***
>
>
>
>
>



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